interviu erik trufazTan

raze gindaT rom visaubroT?

ZiriTadad musikaze.

es isaa rac miWirs xolme, gansakuTrebiT inglisurad. musikaze mirCevnia vimRero. oRond frangulad. exla nu momTxovT amas, kargi? simReras vgulisxmob.

kargi, SevTanxmdiT. musikaze zogjer marTla rTulia saubari. ramodenime kviris win jon maqlaflinis DVD-s vuyurebdi indoel musikosebTan rom Cawera oriode wlis win; filmi imazea Tu rogor muSaobdnen isini erTad maqlaqlinis albomze Floating Point. filmis bolos, muSaobas rom asruleben, maqlaflini haerovan kocnas ugzavnis Tavis musikosebs madlobis niSnad. es albaT musikosebTan urTierTobis yvelaze kargi saSualebaa.  
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es momwons. yoveli SemTxvevisTvis sityvebs jobia.

arasdros giCndebaT musikaluri impulsebis artikulireba survili an saWiroeba?

ra Tqma unda, magram rogorc wesi sityvebiT kargad ver vaxerxeb xolme imis axsnas, rac am dros CemSi trialebs. uamravi metaforis gamoyeneba mixdeba. amitomac vTqvi, rom musikaze leqsis Tqma an simRera mirCevnia. me sayvirze vukrav, sayviri ki amosunTqvaa. simRerac amosunTqvaa. me momRerali var sayviriT xelSi da momReraliviT vudgebi musikalur masalas. ufro momReraliviT, vidre virtuozi instrumentalistiviT.

amitomac saubrobT xolme ase xSirad Tqvensave musikaSi dramis principebis da elementebis Semotanaze?

marTalia. dakvrisas idumali atmosferos Seqmnas vcdilob xolme. marto amas ver mivaRwev, amitomac Cems gverdze kargi musikosebi unda idgnen. maT dakvrac unda icodnen da sxvebis mosmenac, Torem scenaze oTxi an xuTi kaci rom dgas da yvela erTdroulad ukravs qaosi iqmneba. musikoss dramis SegrZneba unda qondes. maqlaflini radgan vaxseneT, piradad me misi mailzis droindeli periodi ufro miyvars. mailsTan da Tavis pirvel solo albomebze maqlaflini SedarebiT Zunwad avsebda sivrces da me swored aseT musikas vaniWeb upiratesobas. mailzTan yofnisas maqlaflini gansxvavebulad ukravda, gaxsovT?

ra Tqma unda. In a Silent Way, Bitches Brew, Live Evil. mailzis imdroindel musikaSic dramis Seqmnis mcdeloba iyo.

Tan rogori daZabuli, saintereso da savse dramis!

rogorc wesi Tqven erTdroulad Zalian bevr proeqtebSi xarT xolme “gaxveuli,” Tan erTmaneTisgan sruliad gansxvavebul proeqtebSi, - xan hif-hoferebTan erTad werT alboms, xan eleqtro-musikosebTan xan pier henrisTan an jon haselTan. advilad axerxebT TqvenTvis ase mnisvnelovani atmosferos Seqmnas musikidan musikaSi gadanacvlebisas?

musika Cemi cxovrebaa, cxovreba ki dRidan dRemde da wlidan wlamde erTnairi araa. amitomac vicvli xolme musikalur garemos, Cemive aRmoCenebis gadasaxaliseblad. miyvars musikalurad sxvadasxva geografiuli sivrceebis Semotana Cems musikaSi. aseTi gadaadgilebebi azrovnebis unars miumjobesebs. Tanac, kompozitoric var da musikasTan aseTi midgoma gansxvavebuli formebis gamoyenebis saSualebas maZlevs. SarSan magaliTad mec indoel musikosebTan erTad Cavwere albomi.

vici. isic vici induri klasikuri ragas Seswavla rom gindodaT. sxvaTa Soris sanam induri musikis Seswavla ar gadavwyvite arc ki vicodi, rom klasikuri ragas didi nawili imroviziaciaa.

ho, magram amis gamo is advili ar xdeba da misi Seswavlac Zalian, Zalian Znelia. raga induri klasikuri musikaa da Tu ginda, rom seriozulad daeuflo mas minimum 20 weli mainc unda daaxarjo swavlis process raRacas mainc rom miaRwio. ho, ragaSi mec improvizacia mizidavs, magram rogorc giTxariT am SemTxvevaSi ase advilad araa saqme. me hariprasad Caurasias (hariprasad Caurasia –bansurize, bambukis fleitaze, Semsrulebeli indoeli musikosi) didi fani var. ramodenime wuTSi axerxebs Sens am qveynidan mocilebas Tavisi musikis meSveobiT. hoda, sul megona, rom mTeli misi musika improvizaciaa, sanam mis koncertze ar movxvdi. cocxlad Sesrulebisas, misi musikis garkveuli nawili improvizaciaa, magram raRac momentSi am nakadSi tabla (klasikuri induri dasartyami instrumenti) rom Semodis mas sruliad gaTvlili da gansazRvruli klasikuri struqturebi Semoaqvs musikaSi. am dros indoeli msmeneli taSs ukravs xolme, Cven ki evropelebi ver vxvdebiT Tu ram gamoiwvia es taSi. saqme ki imaSia, rom isini cnoben im struqturebs da niSans aZleven musikoss, rom bolomde miyvebian mas. genialuria! ise ki tablaze damkvrelebTanac miyvars muSaoba. ramodenime wlis win talvin singxTan erTadac Cavwere diski. bolo albomze ki apurba muherjisTan erTad vimuSave.

verasdros warmoidgen, rom dasartyam instrumentze melodiis gamokveTaa SesaZlebeli. zakir huseini puCinis cnobil Temas ukravs tablaze Carlz loidis “Sangam”-ze, gaxsovT?

ah, zakir huseini! RvTaebrivi musikosia! tabla ki erT-erTi yvelaze daxvewili da rTuli instrumenti. ai aseTi rameebi iwvevs CemSi musikis keTebis provocirebas. aseT adamianebTan Sexvedra da maTi musikis smena. me im kaciviT var sul raRacas rom eZebs xolme da uecrad, erT mSvenier dRes, moulodnelad gadaawydeba raRac ideas an koncefcias. aseT dros vxvdebi, rom Cndeba Sansi raTa gamoxatvis Cemebur saSualebas axali ferebi SevZino. adamianebTan, sxva musikosebTan Sexvedris drosac ase xdeba. raRac uxilavs iWer musikisadmi maT midgomaSi da xvdebi, rom Tu erTad muSaobis Sansi mogecemaT marTlac rom Rirebulis Seqmnas moaxerxebT. aseTi Sexvedrebi azartuli TamaSiviTaa.  

erTxel axseneT, rom spartanuli garemo gizidavT, mTebi, udabno, iaponuri arqiteqtura. mere ki daamateT musika yvelaferi amis metaforaao. ras gulisxmobdiT?

saundis Cemeburi organizaciiis mcdeloba, rogorc ukve vTqvi musikaSi gansakuTrebuli atmosferos daZebnaa. me CaurasiasaviT ganwyobis Semqmneli musikosi ufro var, vidre magaliTad ritmul struqturebze dayrdnobili kubeli virtuozi. Cemi musika imis metaforaa, rac me mizidavs, gaSlili sivrceebis, udabnos, da ase Semdeg. igive exeba e.w. urbanul, industriul saundsac. isic garkveul atmosferoze agebuli musikaa. sxvaTa Soris, miuxedavad Cemi mcdelobebisa, winaswar gamovicno Tu ramdenad Rirebuli iqneba rezultati, musikis keTebis procesSi amas ver vaxerxeb. Cven xSirad ar viciT Tu vin da ra varT, sanam Cvenive Seqmnils gverdidan ar SevxedavT. Mmusikis keTebis procesSi, ramdenadac kargad ar unda viyo mzad, rezultati rogorc wesi idumalebiTaa moculi. es cxovrebasaviTaa. mTavari am dros isaa, rom musikas SenSi Semosvlis ufleba misce. zogjer amas vaxerxeb, zogjer ki araferi gamomdis. 

qiT jareTi wamdauwum imeorebs, rom musikosebis daniSnuleba araa msmenelis garToba, Tqven ki, rodesac amas winaT pier henrize, eleqtronuli musikis erT-erT pionerze, saubrobdiT aRniSneT, rom is musikosi ki ara mkvlevari ufroa. ra doziTYxarT gamrTobi da ra doziT mkvlevari?

henriviT mkvlevari namdvilad ar var. vinaidan musikas msmenels vasmenineb, garkveuli TvalsazrisiT gamrTobic var. zogjer formebs Segnebulad vcvli xolme ufro saintereso rom gavxado is msmenelisaTvis. CemTvis es probleama araa. me msoflios yvela kuTxeSi miwevs gamosvla da minda, rom adamianebma kargad igrZnon Tavi am musikis mosmenisas. meores mxriv, ra Tqma unda mec minda jareTiviT SemeZlos erTi da igive musikis ise dakvra wlebis ganmavlobaSi rom musikam xibli ar dakargos. jareTs SeuZlia amis gakeTeba. trios formatSi lamis ocdaaT welze metia jaz-standartebs ukravs erTi da imave musikosebTan erTad da yoveli misi axali albomi movlenaa. Magram swored gamigeT, is qiT jareTia! is geniosia, me ki ar var geniosi. saerTod, mniSvnelovania imis gacnobiereba, Tu ra potencialis matarebeli musikosi xar. me vici, rom geniosi ar var da amitomac mesaWiroeba garkveuli scenarebis Seqmna muskis keTebisas. zogs geniosad miaCnia Tavi, sinamdvileSi ki mosawyen musikas akeTebs. samyaroSi asobiT qiT jareTi araa. garSemo bevri kargi pianistia da isini xSirad karg musikasac ukraven, magram mainc usmen da grZnob, rom es is musikaa erTxel ukve mosmenili rom gaqvs. amitomac, mimaCnia, rom Tu musikosi xvdeba, rom dakruls imeorebs, aucileblad unda Secvalos midgoma da sxva musikaluri foriT cados sakuTari Tavis gamoxatva. aseTia Cemi filosofia. uein SorTers naTvami aqvs, rom sakuTari Tavis erTguli unda darCe imisTvis, rom sakuTari Tavis ipovno. gimeorebT, jareTi geniosia, me ki ara.
ramdenadac CemTvisaa cnobili jareTisnairi musikosebic awydebian problemebs, Tundac dakvrisas meqanikurobis Tavidan asacileblad. am bolo dros mas ara erTxel aRuniSnavs, rom wyvets dakvras im wams ra wamsve xvdeba, rom “komfortul” zonaSi abijebs da xelebis meqanikuri karnaxiT ukravs.

mesmis da mainc, misi musika am drosac sainteresoa. Cven musikisadmi sxvadasxva midgoma gvaqvs Cvenive potencialidan gamomdinare. me ar maqvs meqanikurobis iseTi problema sayvirze, rogorc mas, radganac is imdens muSaobda da muSaobs teqnikis dasaxvewad, rom SesaZlebelia misTvis arasasurveli meqanikuri Cveva Camouyalibda. me ki musikalur masalaze muSaobisas ZiriTadad vcdilob imas, rom gadavaxaliso es masala da davZebno misi msmenelisTvis miwodebis axali gzebi. ra Tqma unda Zalian mec miyvars bi-bofis droindeli muskosebi, magram Cemi potenciali ar maZlevs imis saSualebas maTsaviT teqnikurad daxvewili rom viyo instrumentze. A

sayvirs saocrad mdidari istoria aqvs. warsulis msayvireebma Tavisi ganumeorebeli midgoma Semates instruments. rodesme Tu gifiqriaT Tu ra adgilis dakaveba gsurdaT musikosebis am gundSi?

Cemi, rogorc sayvirze Semsrulebeli musikosis cxovreba Secvala maSin, rodesac, isev da isev Cemive potencialidan gamomdinare, mivxvdi, rom maRal registrSi dakvra ar SemiZlia. es imas niSnavda, rom ZiriTadad dabal registrSi unda memuSava. sxva gza ubralod ar mqonda.  mogvianebiT ki jon haselis aRmoCenam kidev erTxel Secvala sayvirisadmi Cemi midgoma. sayvirze miseburi dakvris teqnika originalobiT arafriT Camouvardeba dizi gilesfis an Tundac igive mailz deviss. idumalebiT moculma misma frazirebis unarma bevri ram maswavla. me sayvirze dakvra konservatoriaSi Seviswavle, jazmenebis umravlesoba ki erTmaneTis smeniT swavlobda sayvirze  dakvras, mere ki raRc Tavisas umatebda yvelafer amas. am mxriv sayvirs sakmaod maCo istoria aqvs. fizikuradac Zlieri unda iyo maRal registrSi rom SegeZlos dakvra, me ki SemomxedeT, maRal registrSi erT arpejios SeuZlia gadamiyolos.   

meores mxriv, sainteresoa isic, rom am SezRudvam bevrad ufro kinematografiuli saxe misca Tqvens musikas. is gansakuTrebuli vizualurobiT gamoirCeva? albaT swored amis gamo SegikveTes iasujiro ozus munji filmisTvis “tokioeli bavSvebi” musikis Seqmna.

albaT, magram getyviT imasac, rom filmze muSaoba sakmaod rTuli aRmoCnda CemTvis, Tumca ozus filmi ramodenime filmidan swored gansakuTrebuli, CemTvis gasagebi atmosferos gamo amovirCie; im spartanuli garemos gamo, razec zemoT vsaubrobdiT. TiTqmis ori Tve movandome am filmisTvis musikis weras. axali gamocdileba iyo CemTvis.

dRes bevrs laparakoben musikaSi axlis Semotanis mcdelobaze. rogor gesmiT es Tqven dRes, rodesac lamis yvela saundi ukve isedac muskis nawilia?

dRes musika ukve zedmetad bevria da lamis poluciasaviTaa. is yvelgan ismis, restornebSi, liftebSi, supermarketebSi. mimaCnia, rom musika sazogadoebas miyveba fexdafex. adre, gasuli saukunis 60-70-ianebSi roq-end-rolis gaCenas axali musikaluri ideebis Casaxvac moyva da es imitom, rom im dros sazogadoebac icvlida cxovrebis nirs da formebs da musikac miyveboda am cvlilebebs. dRevandeli sazogadoeba aCqarebuli, mouTmeneli da informaciiT gadatvirTulia da amitomac, xSirad xdeba ise, rom Tu romelime musikosi axali teqnologiebis gamouyeneblad cdilobs musikis keTebas, es ukve axlad aRiqmeba. dRes erTgvari balansis miRwevis mcdelobis xanaa adamianisa da teqnikuri evoluciis ganviTarebi procesSi. 

da es periodi ramenairad aisaxeba musikaSi?

SemiZlia darwmunebiT vTqva, rom zogi Cemi kompozicia namdvilad asaxavs dRevandelobas, radganac TviTonve ganvicdi drois da droSi momxdari movlenebis zegavlenas. ise ki kargi musika drois miRma unda idges da wlebis Semdegac Tanamedroved JRerdes. vis rad unda musika, romelic cecxliviTaa, erT wams gizgizebs, mere ki iferfleba?