saubari riCard bonasTan

16 aprili, 2007

ori citatiT minda daviwyo Cveni saubari. orive Tqven gekuTvniT. ai pirveli maTgani: “yvela, vinc musikas wers da ukravs gansxvavebuli adamiania”. me vambob: yvela astronavti an Tundac formula erTis piloti, reJisori Tu mogzauri gansakuTrebuli adamianebi arian. Sesabamisad, mainteresebs, Tu ras gulisxmobT, rodesac ambobT, rom yvela musikosi gansxvavebuli adamiania?

imisaTvis, rom musika akeTo, daukra da SeigrZno is meqanizmi unda aamuSavo tvinSi, romlis gaaqtiurebis unaric yvela adamians ar gaaCnia. meore mxriv, arian adamianebi, visac musika ubralod ar esmiT; is ver aRwevs maT gulebamde da Sesabamisad, es imas niSnavs, rom Cven, musikosebi musikis Sesaqmnelad da Sesasruleblad tvinSi arsebul gansakuTrebul meqanizms viyenebT. swored amas vgulisxmobdi, rodesac vTqvi, rom yvela, vinc ukravs an dakvras cdilobs, gansxvavebuli adamiania. Tumca, amave dros, Tqvenc marTali brZandebiT, rodesac ambobT, rom yvela profesiis adamiani gansxvavebulia; me ara maqvs imis niWi, rac, magaliTad, qirurgebs, romlebic Ria Tavis qalaze atareben operaciebs. isini im niWs iyeneben, rac maT gaaCniaT, me ki _ Cemsas.

ramdenadac vxvdebi, Tqveni sityvebi karg msmenelsac exeba, ara?

absoluturad. musikosebis garda, es unari im adamianebsac aqvT, visac musika uyvarT da rac mTavaria, misi aRqmis unari SeswevT. musikis meSveobiT, musikosic da msmenelic sxva teritoriaze “Sebijebas” axerxeben. nu daiviwyebT, yvelaferTan erTad, musikosebi didebuli msmenelebic arian. aris prodiuseri, vinc musikas ar wers da arc araferze ukravs, magram didebuli musikaluri ideebis generirebis unari gaaCniaT imitom, rom isini kargad grZnoben musikas.

musika “saSiSi” xdeba maSin, rodesac SenTvis ucnob teritoriaze xvdebi; sxva wyalSi, rogorc Tevzi, romelic xmelTaSua zRvis wylebSi arsebobasaa miCveuli da uecrad mas wynar okeaneSi Caagdeb. miyvars, rodesac musika CemTvis ucnob, moulodnel JReradobas iZens da rodesac am moulodnelobis meSveobiT, SemiZlia raRac axali viswavlo. adamiani erTmaneTisagan gansxvavebul teritoriebze moxvedriT swavlobs raRac axals. yvelaze mets Sen im adgilas swavlob, sadac Sengan gansxvavebuli adamianebi cxovroben. Cveni cxovreba rom musikis anarekli iyos, maSin yvela idealuri cxovrebiT vicxovrebdiT. musika idealuri samyarosaviTaa. ai, SemomxedeT, me kamerunis erT patara sofelSi davibade da Cemi Tanasoflelebi garkveuli periodis Semdeg axals veRarafers maswavlian. magram adamianebs saqarTveloSi an bombeiSi yvelaferi aqvT imisTvis, rom raRac axali maswavlon; ara marto ena, aramed bevri sxva ramec. musikac asevea. rac ufro xSirad xvdebi SenTvis ucnob adgilebSi, miT ufro mets swavlob da iqedan gamdidrebuli brundebi.

am bolo dros, xSirad miwevs xolme musikosebTan saubari da interviuebis dros TiTqmis yvela maTgani erTi da igives imeorebs: Seni piradi cxovreba aucileblad aisaxeba Sensave musikaSi; Tu Sen saintereso da savse cxovrebiT cxovrob, Sesabamisad Seni musikac savse da saintereso iqneba. me vici, rom Tqven Tqveni piradi cxovrebis koordinirebas mxolod Tqvenive musikaluri cxovrebis meSveobiT axerxebT, magram mainteresebs, Tqven TviTon rogor migaCniaT, ramdenad irekleba Tqveni piradi cxovreba imaze, rasac Tqven werT da ukravT?

erTi ram namdvilad vici, _ CemTvis jer musika modis, Semdeg ki piradi cxovreba. me Cems pirad cxovrebas musikis karnaxiT ganvageb da Tu musika kargi gamomdis, maSin pirad cxovrebaSic yvelaferi kargadaa. Cemi cxovrebis av-kargianoba imazea damokidebuli, Tu rogor Tavisuflad sunTqavs Cemi musika. me bednieri var, rodesac musikaSi yvelaferi gamomdis da ubeduri, rodesac dasaxulis miRwevas ver vaxerxeb. Tu raRac mizezebis gamo ise moxda, rom ramdenime dRe dakvris saSualeba ar meZleva, am dros Cems garSemo yvelaferi uferuldeba. ferebi brundeba imave wams, rodesac davjdebi da sul ramdenime nots aviReb. ase rom, Cemi yoveldRiuri cxovrebis xarisxi imazea damokidebuli, Tu ramdens da rogor vukrav. ra vqna, ase var mowyobili... musika Cemi ganuyofeli nawilia im wuTidan, rodesac davibade. am mxriv, yvelanairad gamimarTla. babua musikosi iyo, iseve rogorc deda da amitomac, CemTvis musikis siyvarulis procesi bunebrivad viTardeboda. Tanac, babua da deda Zalian miwyobdnen amaSi xels. mokled, musikis gareSe Cemi cxovrebis warmodgena sruliad SeuZlebelia.

musika, Tavisi arsiT, ukve sulieria. amaze CemTvis ori azri ar arsebobs. xSirad veubnebi xolme adamianebs, damisaxelon im musikosebis gvarebi, vinc nebayoflobiT wavida omSi. Tqven ginaxavT musikosi, romelsac omSi unda wasvla? omSi nebayoflobiT uamravi profesiis adamianebi midian, magram arasdros musikosebi. es ki imitomaa ase, rom rodesac tvinSi arsebuli im meqanizmis gamoyenebis saSualeba geZleva, romelzec Cven vsaubrobdiT, xvdebi, rom is tvinis “mSvidobiani,” meditaciuri kunWulia. misTvis ucxoa Zaladoba; Sesabamisad, Cemi musikiT me arasdros gamoviwvev Zaladobis survils SenSi. ra Tqma unda, nebismieri adamianis msgavsad, musikosSic Cadebulia TviTganadgurebis kodi, magram mas Zalian iSviaTad uCndeba sxvisi ganadgurebis survili. diax, musika sawyisSive sulieria! me Zalian bevri mogzauroba miwevs da msoflios sxvadasxva qveyanaSi uamrav musikoss vxvdebi. ase SemTxveviT Sevxvdi zumbasac. me afrikidan var, is saqarTvelodanaa. Cven erT enaze ar vsaubrobT, me mas ar vicnobdi da erTmaneTs rom sadme gadavyrodiT, metroSi an sadme sxvagan, albaT erTmaneTs zedac ar SevxedavdiT. magram imis gamo, rom orive musikosebi varT, Cven davmegobrdiT. miTxariT, musikis garda, ras SeuZlia kidev aseTi uecari mWidro kavSiris Seqmna? swored amitom vimeoreb xolme wamdauwum, rom musika idealuri samyarosaviTaa. msgavs rames politikaSi verasdros SexvdebiT da amitomac, yovel dilas RmerTs madlobas vuxdi, musikosad rom gamaCina da adamianebis siyvarulis unari momca. bolos da bolos, cxovreba sxva araferia Tu ara siyvarulis unari.am intervius dawyebamde Cven globalur daTbobaze vsaubrobdiT (16 aprils TbilisSi Tovli wamovida. k.T.) da xSirad vekiTxebi sakuTar Tavs, ratom da saiTken gavrbivarT ase swrafad. cxovreba xom isedac Zalian moklea da ratom unda gavauaresoT is? ratom unda iyos aseTi Zneli politikosebTan saubari iseT sakiTxebze, rogoricaa globaluri daTboba? ainStainis tvini araa saWiro imisTvis, rom mixvde, _ Tu yvelaferi es ase gagrZeldeba, amiT Cven TviTonve davuSavebT sakuTar Tavs. mere ki fuli aRar giSvelis; im Senive fulTan erTad gaqrebi. im dros, rodesac amerikam eraySi SeWris gadawyvetileba miiRo, albomze vmuSaobdi. ra Tqma unda, msgavsi sakiTxebi yovelTvis axdenen garkveul zegavlenas Cemze, iWrebian Cems musikaSi da maxsovs, rom vfiqrobdi, Tu ramdenad didi Secdoma iyo es gadawyvetileba. amdeni aTasi wlis arsebobis Semdeg, Cven kidev SegviZlia Tavs davesxaT adamians mxolod imitom, rom is Cvengan gansxvavebulad fiqrobs. Cven vambobT: ai, is tipi ise gamoiyureba, rom SesaZlebelia Tavs damesxas da amitomac, xom ar ajobebs, rom davaswro da pirveli davesxa Tavs? im dros davwere simRera, sadac vambob: ho, Sen SeiZleba moaxerxo okeanis gadacurva, magram SeiZleba isec moxdes, rom okeaneSi wyurviliT mokvde; an SeiZleba im kaciviT dagemarTos, romelmac xorcis cxeli naWeri Caido pirSi. is ver ylapavs mas imitom, rom is cxelia, magram amave dros, ukanac ar afurTxebs imitom, rom is gaumaZRaria. ai, swored aseT situaciaSi vimyofebiT dRes Cven da fuli ver dagvexmareba. rodesac ozonis xvreli gafarToebas daiwyebs, miliardebi ar gviSvelis da SeiZleba sul raRac ocdaaTiode wlis Semdeg, orives skafandrebi gvecvas da ase veurTierToT erTmaneTs. politikosebi, romlebsac amouwuravi Zalaufleba gaaCniaT, bavSvebiviT arian. me maT virusad aRviqvam. isini virusiviT anadgureben yvelafers da sanam yvelafers ar SeWamen, ar moisveneben.

iciT es cnobili sityvebi, romelic erT-erT indiel belads ekuTvnis:
”rodesac moiWreba ukanaskneli xe, moiwamleba ukanaskneli mdinare, daiWeren ukanasknel Cits, mxolod maSin mixvdebiT, rom fuli ar iWmeva”?

ar vicodi. marTalia, fuli ar iWmeva!

modiT, musikas davubrundeT. Tqven Zalian gaxsnili musikosi brZandebiT; TqvenSi uamravi musikaluri idiomia Tavmoyrili, magram imavdroulad, TvalSi sacemad afrikeli musikosi xarT. mainteresebs, am etapze gexmarebaT Tu ara afrika da afrikuli musika winsvlaSi Tu droTa ganmavlobaSi, is, ubralod, sayrden platformad darCa TqvenTvis?

dRes CemTvis afrika ufro sayrdenia, vidre winsvlis sawindari. afrikaSi unda cxovrobde, rom ”mWidSi” ijde da bolomde gaiTaviso iqauri musikaluri tradiciebi. me ki ukve Tvramet welze metia, iq aRar vcxovrob. dResdReobiT afrikasTan mxolod fesvebiRa makavSirebs, vinaidan iqedan rom wamovedi, ukve profesionali musikosi viyavi. iq Zalian bevri ram viswavle. sul xuTi wlis viyavi, rodesac im bendSi vukravdi, sadac samocdaaTs gadacilebuli musikosebi ukravdnen. warmogidgeniaT rogori skola maqvs gamovlili? ra Tqma unda, Zalian madlieri var im fundamentisTvis, rac maT momces, magram dRes afrikasTan fesvebi makavSirebs da ara winsvla.

magram Tqven dResac iyenebT afrikul motivebs Tqvensave simRerebSi; rogor fiqrobT, ras matebT Tqven im afro-kamerunul Temebs Tu motivebs, romlebsac adgilobrivi mcxovreblebi saukuneebis ganmavlobaSi mRerodnen?

am dros minda, rom adamianebs afrikuli ferebi davanaxo da vagrZnobino. guSin erTi kaci meubneboda: Zalian momwons Seni simRerebi, magram ar vici, raze mReri (riCard bona yvela Tavis simReras dualas dialeqtze mReris. k. T.) CemTvis ki swored esaa musikis daniSnuleba. Cems SemTxvevaSi araa aucilebeli gesmodes ena, romelzec vmReri. am xarvezs musika gamoasworebs. maxsovs, rodesac patara viyavi, sTivi uanders vusmendi xolme da misi musika iseTi lamazi iyo, rom arc ki mainteresebda, Tu raze mReroda. am danakliss Cemive fantaziis meSveobiT vavsebdi; musika TviTonve mkarnaxobda imas, Tu raze mReroda is. musika yovelTvis Tavis enaze gesaubreba da swored amitomac mjera, rom sakuTar enaze unda imRero da ar unda geSinodes imis, rom viRacas es ena ar esmis. SenTvis Zvirfasi istoriebis Txrobas simRerebSi yvelaze kargad sakuTari enis wyalobiT axerxeb. enac xom musikaa da amitomac, is damatebiT datvirTvas aZlevs musikalur Temas. me Zalian mainteresebs qarTuli simRerebi da miuxedavad imisa, rom qarTuli ar vici, visurvebdi, qarTuli SesrulebiT momesmina es simRerebi. ra Tqma unda, qarTvel momRerals SeuZlia Zalian kargad iswavlos Cinurad simRerac, magram es ukve sul sxva rame iqneba.

gamodis, rom simRerebis werisas Tqven melosis energias eyrdnobiT da ara verbalur mxares. magram amave dros, sakuTar Tavs xSirad uwodebT xolme mTxrobel musikoss.

marTalia, magram mainc mimaCnia, rom verbaluri mxare Cemi musikis Zlieri nawili araa. Cemi simRerebis umravlesoba im teqstebs eyrdnoba, romelic jer kidev babuam maswavla. es is istoriebia, romlebic bavSvobaSi viswavle. didi xnis ganmavlobaSi babuasTan erTad vcxovrobdi da rodesac saqme istoriebis Txrobamde midis, Cemi meSveobiT swored babuaCemi yveba am istoriebs. is namdvili geniosi iyo. saocari siswrafiT Txzavda xolme simRerebis teqstebs; uSualod musikis Sesrulebis momentSi.

gasaocaria, rom misi gardacvalebidan amdeni wlis Semdeg, Tqven isev da isev ubrundebiT am adamians da misgan iRebT STagonebas...

ho, magram me ukeTesi veraferi vnaxe. rodesac mas SekiTxvas dausvamdiT, is didxans fiqrobda xolme pasuxze, magram rodesac is pasuxis gasacemad mzad iyo, misi pasuxi yovelTvis swori iyo. iciT kidev vin iyo aseTi adamiani? maiql breqeri. RmerTma gaanaTlos misi suli! (saqsofonisti maiql breqeri sul ramdenime Tvis win gardaicvala Zvlis iSviaTi daavadebisagan. k. T.). isic didxans fiqrobda xolme pasuxebze, SeeZlo Sens dasmul SekiTxvaze ramdenime dRis Semdeg gaeca pasuxi, magram gipasuxebdaT ise, rom xuTi wlis Semdegac ki gagaxsendeboda da fiqrobdi: RmerTo, maiqli marTali iyo. me Zalian maklia is. SarSan erTad unda dagvekra, yvelaferi mzad iyo amisTvis, magram ukanasknel momentSi, misma menejerma dareka da gviTxra, rom maiqli scenaze gamosvlas ver SeZlebda. am dros is ukve seriozulad avad iyo. es iyo adamiani, romelsac arasdros araferi aviwydeboda da yvelafers akeTebda imisTvis, rom axalgazrda musikosebs daxmareboda. mas pirvelad evropaSi Sevxvdi da am dros ukve icoda, rom Cemi pirveli diskis Caweras vapirebdi niu iorkSi. pirveli, rac Sexvedrisas miTxra, is iyo, rom niu iorkSi rom Caxval, Tu rameSi dagWirde, aucileblad damirekeo. da ai, niu iorkSi var da Zalian minda, rom maiqlma Cemi pirveli diskis erT-erT kompoziciaSi daukras, magram merideba misi Sewuxeba. es xom Cemi pirveli diskia; me xom jer aravin micnobs aq. misi menejeri ki meubneba: risi gerideba, radgan maiqlma giTxra damirekeo, ese igi, adeqi da daureke. me mainc ver gavbede darekva, magram misma menejerma daureka da uTxra, bonas Zalian unda, mis pirvel diskze rom daukrao. am dros maiqli TurqeTSi iyo. mokled, stambolidan is jer londonSi gadafrinda, iqedan ki niu iorkSi da sanam saxlSi wavidoda, aeroportidan pirdapir studiaSi movida, sadac Cven vmuSaobdiT, saocrad lamazi solo daukra da mxolod amis Semdeg wavida Sin. yvelafer amasTan erTad, man uari Tqva anazRaurebaze. didi Cxubis Semdeg, movaxerxe da daviTanxme, rom fuli aeRo. me is dRes Zalian maklia.

is, rac Tqvenma dedam da babuam dainaxes TqvenSi, musikis zemoqmedebis Sedegi iyo, mamaTqvenisgan gansxvavebiT, romelic sastiki winaaaRmdegi iyo, rom musikosi gamosuliyaviT. es imitom ara, rom musika ar uyvarda an ver xvdeboda, rom amis niWi gqondaT, aramed imitom, rom mas ar moswonda musikosebis cxovrebis wesi. rogorc Cans, am mxriv kameruni arafriT gansxvavdeboda msoflios danarCeni qveynebisagan.

xom gaxsovT, rogori dro iyo gasuli saukunis samociani wlebis bolo da samocdaaTianebis dasawyisi? im dros musikosebi namdvilad ar gamoirCeodnen samagaliTo saqcieliT. alkoholi, narkotikebi... afrikeli musikosebi arafriT gansxvavdebodnen TavianTi evropeli Tu amerikeli kolegebisagan. isini dRe da Rame svamdnen an kaifobdnen. sakmarisi iyo Soridan mogekraT maTTvis Tvali, imave wams xvdebodi, rom am musikosma mTeli Rame barSi gaatara dakvrasa da smaSi. mamaCemi, Tavis mxriv, marTali iyo. mas undoda, rom cxovrebis aseTi wesiT ar mecxovra. babuaCemi ki yvelafer amas sul sxva TvaliT uyurebda. jer kidev sami wlis viyavi, rodesac is mixvda, rom sxva adamiani vxdebodi maSin, rodesac musika mesmoda. rodesac Cems garSemo musika ar ismoda, autaneli vxdebodi da Cemi saqcieliT yvelas ekaliviT veCxirebodi TvalSi. musikis dakvrisas ki, arc Wama mindoda da arc sma; isini iZulebiT mtenidnen xolme pirSi saWmels. swored babuaCemi iyo pirveli, vinc dedas uTxra: “es bavSvi musikosi gamova”. swored man gamikeTa Cemi pirveli balafoni (qsilofonis tipis afrikuli perkusiuli instrumenti. k.T.). mamaCemi ki, romelic qalaqSi cxovrobda, yvelafer amas sul sxva TvaliT uyurebda. Tavis droze, mas ar miscemia ganaTlebis miRebis saSualeba da amitomac, Zalian undoda mimeRo is, rac mas daaklda. wlebis ganmavlobaSi vuwevdi winaaRmdegobas da bolos da bolos, gavimarjve. xSirad policiaSi mimaTrevda, sadac ori dRis ganmavlobaSi mtovebdnen xolme. isini mixsnidnen, rom oci wlis asakSi ar unda damekra iq, sadac qalebi striptizs cekvavdnen. mere ki miSvebdnen, magram zustad or saaTSi isev imave barSi vbrundebodi mxolod imitom, rom damekra. erT dRes ki, rodesac saxlSi davbrundi, mamaCemis gamoxedvaSi davinaxe raRac iseTi, ramac mimaxvedra, rom is damnebda. vuTxari: “me isev iq viyavi da vukravdi. ase rom, midi, wamiyvane policiaSi”. man ki ubralod Semomxeda da aRaraferi uTqvams.

afrika Tqveni bavSvoba iyo, safrangeTi – siymawvilis periodi, SeerTebuli Statebi ki mowifulobis xana; sami kontinenti, sami gansxvavebuli Sexeduleba cxovrebaze da musikaze. Cven, ase Tu ise, ukve SevexeT afrikas, magram mainteresebs, Tu ra xdeboda safrangeTSi. bevri vicine, rodesac wavikiTxe, rom safrangeTSi cxovrebisas, saemigracio biurodan werili miiReT, romelSic isini samuSao vizis gagrZelebaze uars geubnebodnen imis gamo, rom im dros safrangeTSi 1, 6002 umuSevari basisti cxovrobda; maT zustad daasaxeles cifri. arada, safrangeTSi cxovrebisas umuSevari namdvilad ar yofilxarT.

piriqiT, Zalian bevrs vmuSaobdi da gadasaxadebsac vixdidi. swored es ukvirdaT Cinovnikebs. diax, cifri zusti iyo, magram saqme isaa, rom frangi musikosebi umuSevarTa biuroSi imitom midiodnen, rom mTavrobisTvis kompensacia gamoecinclaT; anu, xSirad isini marTla umuSevrebi ki ar iyvnen, aramed am gziT aridebdnen Tavs gadasaxadebis gadaxdas da cotaoden fulsac Soulobdnen.

naTqvami gaqvT, rom musikaluri TvalsazrisiT bednieri ar iyaviT safrangeTSi. ratom?

imitom, rom intuitiuri, spontanuri musikosi var. safrangeTSi ki, miuxedavad imisa, rom maT uamravi didi musikosi Tu kompozitori yavT, zedmetad bevrs fiqroben, sanam dakvras daiwyeben. zedmetad iWyleten tvins. ama Tu im proeqtze muSaobis dawyebas Tveebs andomeben. me ki qmedeba miyvars da ara tvinis Wyleta. momeci instrumenti da modi, davukraT, axlave, am wuTs. niu iorkSi yvelaferi sxvagvaradaa…

iq musikosebi ufro spontanurebi arian, ara?

diax, am mxriv iq yvelaferi isev isea, rogorc adre iyo. iq bevri fiqris saSualebasac ki ar gaZleven da Tu erTi
adgili gaqvs, adi scenaze da daukari. niu iorki didebuli adgilia axalgazrda musikosebisaTvis, iseve rogorc sxva didi qalaqebi amerikaSi _ san francisko, los anjelesi, Cikago... magram, meore mxriv, amerikaSi bevr koncerts ar vukrav; sul raRacOoci-ocdaxuTi koncerti wlis ganmavlobaSi. mTel danarCen dros sxva qveynebSi mogzaurobas da gastrolebs vandomeb. amasTan erTad, CemTvis niu iorki ukve Cemi saxlia da saxlSi rom brundebi, dasveneba ufro ginda, vidre muSaoba. me mama var, ori kviris win ki coli moviyvane. ojaxTan erTad dasveneba zogjer Zalian, Zalian kargia.

uh, es namdvilad herbia! SeiZleba bolomde ar mesmodes, Tu ras gulisxmobs is, magram getyviT, rom rac ar unda Tqvas herbim musikaze, is yovelTvis sworia. musikaze saubrisas, is arasdros cdeba da me amas mxolod imis gamo ar vambob, rom is Cemi kerpia. is namdvili revolucioneria musikaSi, WeSmariti pioneri, da rodesac is rames ambobs, imitom ambobs, rom es saWiroa da ase miaCnia. is ar miekuTvneba im adamianTa jgufs, vinc dumdeba xolme, roca rame ar mowons. herbis dadumeba SeuZlebelia. herbis sityvebi yovelTvis gulidan modis.

vici, rom im musikosTa ricxvs ar miekuTvnebiT, vinc musikaluri ideebis artikulirebas im mizniT cdilobs, rom danarCenebs gaagebinoT, Tu ras an rogor akeTebT imas, rasac akeTebT. yuradRebas, ZiriTadad, uSualod musikaze amaxvilebT da es Zalian kargad mesmis. magram sul ramdenime xnis win, Tqven daTanxmdiT, rom jgufi niu iorkis musikalur skolaSi ageyvanaT. aqedan gamomdinare, sainteresoa, xom ar gaCnda imis aucilebloba, rom musikaluri ideebis artikulirebis mcdeloba dagewyoT Tundac imitom, rom studentebTan urTierToba gageadvilebinaT?

sruli simarTlea. amaze fiqri miwevs. da sxvaTa Soris, am gziT Cems Sesaxebac vigeb raRac-raRaceebs. oTxi wlis ganmavlobaSi miCiCinebdnen, _ unda aswavlo, unda aswavlo, unda aswavlo... me ki sul vewinaaRmdegebodi maT mxolod imis gamo, rom swavlebis aranairi gamocdileba ar gamaCnda. ra unda vaswavlo konservatoriagamovlil adamianebs, visac musikis TeoriaSi ukve soliduri baza gaaCnia? marTla ar vicodi, Tu risi swavleba SemeZlo maTTvis, vinaidan, ubralod, musikosi da Semsrulebeli var. bolos da bolos, 2005 wels axalgazrda musikosebis jgufis ayvanaze davTanxmdi da dRes yurebamde Seyvarebuli var am samuSaoSi. vgrZnob, rom adamianebs vexmarebi. am turnemde erTi kviriT adre, niu iorkSi koncerti gavmarTeT im bavSvebTan erTad, visac vaswavli. unda genaxaT maTi ojaxebis wevrebis saxeebi koncertis Semdeg! isini mixvdnen, rom maTi Svilebi bevrad ufro kargad floben instruments, vidre kursis dawyebamde. samwuxarod, imave dRes momiwia meTqva maTTvis, rom es Cemi ukanaskneli weli iqneboda am programaSi, vinaidan erTdroulad or alboms viwerdi. mokled, es naRvelnarevi sixarulis dRe iyo. maT guli wydebaT, rom programas vtoveb da es mec Zalian mtkens guls. sxvaTa Soris, etien sejuiki, Cemi pianisti eswreboda am koncerts da is sruliad gaognebuli darCa maTi Sesrulebis unariT. leqciebis dros, bevrs vesaubrebi xolme Cems studentebs da amave dros, xSirad miwevs nalaparakevis demonstrireba instrumentze. erTi pianisti gogo myavs klasSi; is sul 21 wlisaa, magram lamis oskar pitersoniviT ukravs! unda naxoT da moisminoT, Tu rogor grZnobs is instruments! arada, pirvelad rom movismine isini, dakvra Sevawyvetine, ise xmamaRla ukravdnen. Sevecade amexsna maTTvis, rom rodesac bendSi ukrav, unda giyvardes da pativs scemde kolegas da rodesac Seni solos jeri dgeba, Cveni erTaderTi mizania mxarSi amogidgeT. am dros, Cven erTi gundi varT. Cven “Cven” varT da ara “me”. esaa is, rac maT pirvelive dRes vuTxari. dRes ki isini kargad Sekruli gundiviT ukraven. sxvaTa Soris, am bends Latitude daarqves da isini niu iorkis sxvadasxva klubSi ukraven. es Zalian didi miRwevaa CemTvis. Zalian amayi var, rodesac maT vusmen xolme. daujerebelia! nuTu Cemi meSveobiT miaRwies amas? erTi im saqsofonist biWs SexedeT, romelic lamis maiql breqeriviT ukravs! arada, pirveli gakveTilebi rom maxsendeba, yvelaferi sxvanairad iyo. maT saundis araviTari SegrZneba ar gaaCndaT da zedmetad xmamaRla ukravdnen. es bunebrivia, isini bavSvebi arian da moswonT, rodesac xmamaRla da energiulad ukraven. magaliTisaTvis, gitarists im dros sxvadasxva efeqtis gamoyeneba ufro ainteresebda, vidre dakvra. dRes ki mas akustikuri gitara ufro ainteresebs, vidre eleqtronuli da stravinskis didi moyvarulicaa. arada, Tavidan sul imas meubneboda, Tu rogor ezizReba klasikuri musika. dasawyisSi mas mokle, martiv klasikur kompoziciebs vasmeninebdi, _ puCini, mocarti, nawyvetebi “traviatadan,” _ da vTxovdi: yuri daugde am musikas, Seecade bolomde mousmino im SemTxvevaSic ki, Tu ar mogwons. mere ki Seecade, rom es motivebi gitaraze daukra. SeiZleba Tavidan verc ki SeigrZno es Temebi, magram imas mainc Seecade, rom kedels nu aRmarTav Sensa da am musikas Soris. nebismier musikaSia SesaZlebeli kargis daZebna. SeiZleba ise moxdes, rom mousmen erTxel, orjer, samjer da uecrad _ bax...! swored amitomacaa, oci wlis win daweril musikaSi uecrad raRac axals rom gadaawydebi xolme! imas, rac adre ver SeigrZeni. is biWi axla klasikuri gitariTaa dainteresebuli; imas daubrunda, riTic daiwyo. man klasikuri musikis da jazis Seswavla daiwyo CemTan erTad da rogorc giTxariT, axla stravinskize “zis”. rodesac masze Camovardeba laparaki, sul imeorebs: uh, magari vinme iyo es stravinski, ara?!

namdvilad gaumarTlaT, Tqvennairi maswavlebeli rom yavT, magram modiT, axla Tqvens musikalur ganaTlebas SevexoT. minda gavixseno is 500-diskiani koleqcia, romelic dualaSi /kameruni/ mcxovreb erT frangs ekuTvnoda. yvela, vinc Tqvenze wers, gverds ver uvlis im istorias, rodesac Tqven, jer kidev sruliad axalgazrda kacma, am koleqciis meSveobiT, pirvelad mousmineT jazs da jeiqo fasToriuss.

jeiqo is kari iyo, romlis meSveobiTac jazSi Sevabije. manamde jazi mosmenili ar mqonda. is frangi ki musikosi ki ara, ubralod jazis moyvaruli iyo. is klubis gaxsnas apirebda da miTxra: jazs xom ar daukravdi Cems klubSi? vuTxari: raa jazi? me afrikul musikas vukrav. Sen ra, ar mogwons afrikuli musika? man mipasuxa: mirCevnia, rom jazi daukra. mogvianebiT ki man Tavisi klubi gaxsna. amasobaSi, gamalebiT vusmendi jazs da getyviT ratomac. im dros iq, sadac vukravdi (maSin 20 wlis gitaristi viyavi da saRamos 9 saaTidan dilis 6 saaaTamde vukravdi xolme adgilobriv barSi, ZiriTadad afrikul hitebs), Zalian cota fuls mixdidnen. im frangma mkiTxa: ramdens gixdian aq? vupasuxe: erT dolars dReSi. man ki miTxra: kargi, Tu jazs daukrav, 20 dolars gadagixdi. vupasuxe: am SemTxvevaSi, CemTvis ukve aRar aqvs mniSvneloba, Tu ras davukrav. am fasad Tanaxma var, rom samxedro marSebic ki davukra. mokled, jazSi wminda ekonomikuri mizezis gamo movxvdi! mere ki, masTan saxlSi rom mivedi, Tavisi koleqcia miCvena da miTxra: airCie, romeli firfitac ginda, mousmine da Seecade, rom mosmenili gaimeoro. romeliRac firfitas davwvdi; es jeiqo fasToriusis albomi aRmoCnda da rodesac misi SesrulebiT Carli farqeris Donna Lee movismine, megona, rom dasakravi swraf siCqareze iyo dayenebuli. verc ki warmovidgendi, rom basze ase Cqara dakvra SesaZlebeli iyo. im frangma mipasuxa, rom sakravi normalur siCqareze iyo dayenebuli. me ki ar vujerebdi. fasToriusis meored mosmenisas ki uecrad CemSi raRac moxda da vTqvi: mec minda ase vukravde basze. mere ki Cems gitaras ori simi movxseni da ise wavedi im barSi, sadac gitaristad vmuSaobdi. Cemi bendis wevrebi gakvirvebuli miyurebdnen. ra xdeba? _ mkiTxes. vupasuxe: dReidan basisti vxdebi da Tu gindaT, rom bendSi davrCe, maSin bas-gitaristi unda gaagdoT. ai, ase daiwyo yvelaferi da ase aRmovaCine mogvianebiT sxva musika da sxva musikosebi. magaliTad, jo zavinuli. is Cemi erT-erTi yvelaze mniSvnelovani mentori gaxda. swored jos meSveobiT aRmovaCine ben uebsTeri, qenonbol ederli, mailzi da bevri sxva. magari vinmea zavinuli. RmerTma dalocos is!

guSin kidev erT didi musikosis _ qiT jareTis intervius vkiTxulobdi, da radgan instrumentze Camovarda saubari, minda gavixseno is, rasac jareTi ambobs. misi TqmiT, bolo dros repeticiebis msvlelobisas meqanikurobisagan Tavis dasaRwevad, is Cerdeba, rawams is xvdeba, rom musika xelebs miyveba da ara guls. xom ar dgeba xolme TqvenTvisac is momenti, rodesac xelebis meqanikuri tiraniisagan gaTavisufleba gesaWiroebaT?

arasdros. miyvars, rasac Cemi xelebi akeTeben. verafer meqanikurs ver vxedav Cems dakvraSi. meore mxriv, me da qiTi sxvadasxva Taobas mivekuTvnebiT. is albaT 60-ze metisaa, me ki 39-is da am etapze, namdvilad ar vdgevar im problemis winaSe, razec is saubrobs. vin icis, ra moxdeba momavalSi. dRes momwons, rogorc vukrav, magram sruliad dasaSvebia, rom wlebis Semdeg mec igive problemis winaSe aRmovCnde.

modiT, imasac nu daviviwyebT, rom Tqven multi-instrumentalisti brZandebiT. feT meTeni Tavisi Speaking Of Now laiv DVD-s bolos, rodesac is bends warmoadgens, Tqvenze ambobs: riCard bona _ yvela danarCen instrumentze! rogor moxda ise, rom TiTqmis yvela instrumentze axerxebT dakvras?

gnebavT daijereT, gnebavT _ ara, magram jer kidev bavSvobaSi vaxerxebdi nebismier instrumentze dakvras, yovelgvari swavlebis gareSe. erTxel davukari saqsofonze, romelic sanagveze vipovne. xuT wuTSi ukve vicodi, Tu romel klaviSebze unda dameWira TiTebi. bavSvobaSi amas ver vacnobierebdi, magram dRes, rodesac ukve vaswavli, vxvdebi, rom es gansakuTrebuli niWi da unaria, rac RmerTma momaniWa. im taZarSi, sadac babuaCemi ukravda, erTma pastorma safrangeTidan orRani Camoatanina, magram sofelSi, sadac me vcxovrobdi, aravin ukravda orRanze. erT dRes im orRanze dakvras Sevecade da imave kvira dRes ukve mesaze vukravdi. balafonidan CemTvis nacnobi melodiebis orRanze gadatana bunebrivad movaxerxe da es TiTqos TavisiT moxda. arc notebis dasaxeleba vicodi da arc akordebis. araferi ar vicodi. ubralod, TiTebs saSualebas vaZlevdi ekeTebinaT is, risi keTebac maT surdaT da ase gagrZelda 9 wlis ganmavlobaSi. zustad aseve viswavle gitaraze dakvrac. dRes yvelaferi es CemTvis warmoudgenelia imitom, rom gavizarde da saamisod arc dro maqvs da aRarc moTmineba myofnis xolme. bavSvobaSi ki es CemTvis garToba iyo. Zalian miyvars violonCelo, magram ar minda am instrumentze rostropoviCiviT rom vukravde. ar vici, movaxerxeb Tu ara amas, magram dRes bevrad ufro meti Zalisxmeva damWirdeba, violonCeloze dakvra rom viswavlo, vidre bavSvobaSi. dRes mikvirs, Tu rogor vaxerxebdi amas adre, magram es unari CemSi SemorCenilia. axla rom marimbasTan mimiyvano, uproblemod davukrav am instrumentze, radganac CemSi imave wams gaiRviZebs is codna, rac balafonze dakvris dros SeviZine. igive exeba gitaras, orRans da sxva instrumentebs. mokled, Cemi niWi jer kidev CemSia. is, rasac RmerTi gaZlevs, ukan aRar garTmevs xolme. erTaderTi, rac unda gaakeTo, isaa, rom am saCuqars mouaro. es Cveni movaleobaa.

Cemi ukanaskneli SekiTxva aseTia: Tqvenze gadaRebuli dokumenturi filmis _ “African Tale”-is bolos, niu iorkeli taqsisti operators ubrundeba da Tqvenze ekiTxeba: vinaa es kaci? mec gekiTxebiT: vinaa riCard bona?
xval giCvenebT. me xom ar SemiZlia Cemive Tavis ise gandideba, rogorc es zavinulma gaakeTa, pirvelad rom momismina? “Sen udidesi xar! _ miTxra man. ise ki getyviT, rom riCard bona, ubralod, musikosia da mas Zalian, Zalian uyvars musikis dakvra. Cemi erTaderTi koSmari isaa, rom dakvra veRar SevZlo. me Cems gitarasTan erTad mZinavs xolme. marTla, ar gatyuebT, Rame Cemi basi loginis gverdzea xolme miyudebuli. es albaT bevrs ambobs Cemze, ara?

madlobas vuxdiT sainvesticio kompania “evords”, “kaparols” da “isTern promouSens”.