interviu monti aleqsanderTan  

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diuq elingTonis dakarguli werili

Cemi ojaxi iamaikidan amerikis SeerTebul StatebSi 1961 wels gadmovida. maSin Cvidmeti wlis viyavi da erTaderTi razec vocnebobdi jazis dakvra iyo. amerikaSi Casvlidan erTi wlis Semdeg, Cemi kargi megobris mamam, romelic saxelganTqmul Cotton Club –is erT-erTi mflobeli iyo diuq elingTonis menejerTan, ervin milzTan mimiyvana. moxda ise, rom diuqic iq damxvda. ra Tqma unda mis Sesaxeb gagebuli mqonda, magram maSin jer kidev bolomde ver vacnobierebdi misi miRwevebis masStabebs. milzma diuqs uTxra es erTi iamaikeli biWia da is kargad ukravs fortepianozeo. diuqma amxed-damxeda da momigdo Tu aseTi magari xar, midi ai im pianinosTan da rame dagvikario. CemTvis oRond ki dakvra eTxovaT! mivedi da davukari. im momentSi ar vicodi, rom Cemi megobris mamam yvelaferi ise moawyo, rom diuqi iq yofiliyo, ervin milzis kabinetSi. misi gaTvliT Tu elingTons Cemi dakvra moewoneboda, maSin mas gauadvildeboda diuqisTvis imis Txovna, rom CemTvis sarekomendacio werili daewera saemigracio samsaxurSi gasagzavnad, sadac is amerikis SeerTebuli Statebis saemigracio samsaxurs acnobebda, rom is Tavdebad midgeboda me, axalgazrda iamaikel pianists da rekomendacias miwevda moqalaqeobis misaRebad. mxolod mogvianebiT gavige, rom elingTonma marTlac gamiwia werilobiTi rekomendacia da dawyebuli im dRidan vcdilob im werilis aslis mopovebas, Tumca uSedegod. xumroba xom araa, me xom TviT elingTonis daxmarebiT gavxdi amerikeli?!   

  
biWi, romelmac quCaSi iswavla cxovreba

bavSvobidanve ver veguebodi maT, vinc Wkuis darigebiT cdilobda raime eswavlebina CemTvis, gansakuTrebiT musikis maswavleblebs ver vitandi. maTi Wkuis darigeba ra jandabad mindoda, rodesac bavSvobidanve mqonda imis niWi, rom yuriT, anu smena-smeniT gamegno gza musikaSi! zogad musikalur ganaTlebas ar vgulisxmob, musikis sulSi wvdomis unari maqvs mxedvelobaSi. amas vercerT musikalur skolaSi ver gaswavlian, samagierod amas swavlob did musikosebTan urTierTobis dros. Zalian gamimarTla maT gverdze rom gavizarde! isini ara marto musikas maswavlodnen (Tanac ise, rom Wkuas araferze marigebdnen), aramed imasac, Tu rogor mivaxlovebodi musikas da rogor SemomeSva is CemSi. yvelaferi es bunebrivad xdeboda da swored maTTan erTad gatarebulma drom damanaxa, Tu rogor aerTianebs musika adamianebs. me musikosad milT jeqsonma, rei braunma da dizi gilesfim maqcies. maTi meSveobiT gavizarde, rogorc musikosi da rogorc adamiani. Mswored gamigeT, qeds vixri musikaluri saswavlebebis da maTi Zalisxmevis winaSe, magram yvelam icis, rom monti aleqsanderi maT xelSi gauvleli musikosia. me is quCis biWi var, vinc quCaSi iswavla musikis dakvra da garwmunebT, amaze erTi wamic ki ar minania! 


jazi, mxolod jazi!

amerikelebis cnobismoyvareoba amouwuravia! es yovelTvis ase iyo da musikosebi am mxriv gamonaklisi ar arian. isini, am sityvis sruli mniSvnelobiT, xarbad isrutaven yvelafers, rasac sxva kulturebi Tavazoben da mzadyofniT rTaven axal akustikur gavlenebs Tavis musikaSi. gasuli saukunis samocianebis dasawyisSic, me rom amerikaSi gadavsaxldi sacxovreblad, zustad ase iyo. yuradRebiT Tu mousmenT niu-orleanSi Seqmnil musikas advilad daiWerT kavSirs am muskasa da kunZulebidan amerikaSi moxvedril musikas Soris. ra Tqma unda, jazis ZiriTadi gavlena afrikuli warmoSobisaa, magram mousmineT jeri li morTons, qid ors, lui armsTrongs da kunZulebis musikis zegavlenasac gadaawydebiT maT musikaSi. niu-orleanuli musikis suls kunZulebidan mosuli sulic, misi ritmebic urevia. ratom?Aimitom, rom es interesi ormxrivi iyo. iamaikel musikosebs, rawamsac ki isini jazis eSxs SeigrZnobdnen, berdis, mailzis da dizis gverdze yofna wyurodaT. yvela kargi iamikeli musikosis erTaderTi survili amerikaSi moxvedra iyo. iamaikurma musikam mzadyofniT miiRo jazi. im dros sul patara biWi viyavi da maxsovs, rom mec sruliad momnusxa jazma da jazmenebma. yvelaferi momwonda maTSi, rogor ecvaT, rogori mimoxvriT moZraobdnen, rogor esaubrebodnen erTmaneTs, rogor ekavaT instrumentebi, rogor ukravdnen da Zalian vamayobdi imiT, Tavis gverdze yofnis uflebas rom maZlevdnen. me im klubebSi Sesvlis uflebac ki mqonda, sadac isini ukravdnen, es ki imas niSnavs, rom SemeZlo Tvalyuri medevnebina maTTvis. ai ase vizrdebodi musikosad! 


“midi biWi, isvingave, isvingave!”

me is iSviaTi movlena var, vinc ama Tu im musikalur instrumentTan pirvel SexebisTanave instrumentis nawilad aRiqvams Tavs. pirvelad rom fortepianos mivujeqi, ra Tqma unda jer kidev dakvra ar vicodi, magram im drosac ki ukve sakuTar Tavs vukravdi. mogvianebiT, odnav rom wamovizarde, bugi-vugis da bluzis pianistebs vbaZevdi, Tumca maSin me ukve vusmendi Sopens, lists, sxva klasikosebs da miuxedavad imisa, rom daxvewili instrumentalistisgan jer kidev Sors videqi, ukve vgrZnobdi, Tu rogor mizidavda fortepianos bgera, romelsac saWiroebis SemTxvevaSi SeeZlo mTel orkestrad qceuliyo. swored maSin  mivxvdi, rom fortepianos SesaZleblobebi amouwuravia. is yvela kombinaciaSi unikaluria, misi ritmiuli aspeqtebi saSualebs gaZlevs nebismier kombinacias moargo is, magram amave dros, SexedeT qaunT beisis romelic TiTqos mouxeSavad “kenkavda” notebs fortepianoze dakvrisas da am dros sruliad axal siRrmeebs xsnida masSi. mokled, me damemarTa is, rac zogjer emarTebaT xolme patarebs, erTi noti aviRe da fortepianod viqeci. am dros  arafris meSinoda, arc instrumentis mdidari memkvidreobis da arc misi aTvisebisaTvis aucilebeli Zalisxmevis gaRebisaTvis viSurebdi dros. sakuTar TavSi TviTdarwmuneba ki drois ganmavlobaSi izrdeboda da rodesac StatebSi gadavedi sacxovreblad  da erT mSvenier dRes im klubSi, sadac vukravdi, frenk sinatram Semoabija, pirveli, rac man miTxra Cemi mosmenis Semdeg ai es iyo: “midi, biWi, isvingave, isvingave!” igives meubnebodnen qenonbol ederli da sxva jazmenebi da maTi sityvebi waxalisebis yvelaze mniSvnelovani saxe iyo, rac ki muskosma SeiZleba miiRos. mere ki dro gadis, Sen dakvras agrZeleb da pirovnuladac Zlierdebi. ase ibadeba Seni ganumeorebeli bgera instrumentze!

 
notebi? ra notebi?

acvenili, meamboxe biWi viyavi da isic ukve giTxari, rom maswavleblebTan yofna arasdros mepitnaveboda. “aleqsander (gvariT mommarTavdnen xolme!), Sen ai es unda iswavlo, da ase unda daukra!“ me maTi darigebebi fexze  mekida, radganac im droisaTvis ukve Cem raRaceebs vukravdi. me CemiT, sxvebis dauxmareblad, vuaxlovdebodi instruments, isini ki saxazavs mirtyamdnen xelze! ai, ase daiwyo wesebisadmi Cemi upativcemulobis istoria. ramodenime maswavleblis gamocvlis Semdeg ukve martom gavagrZele da moxda ise, rom notebis kiTxva ver viswavle. ho, me dResac ver vkiTxulob notebs!  ra Tqma unda, kargi iqneboda rom meswavla, magram mas Semdeg, rac pirvelad avedi scenaze, amis droc ki aRar mqonda; scenidan aRar Camovsulvar, xan sad miwvevdnen dasakravad, xan sad. me scenaze vixvewebodi. erT  mSvenier dRes marTlac SeiZleba davjde da notebis kiTxva viswavlo. erT mSvenier dRes! jer ar mcalia!


mesame xarisxis ritmuli kontaqtebi

arsebobs garkveuli kavSiri musikis ritmul aspeqtebsa da kulturas Soris. musika ZiriTadada ritmebis meSveobiT akavSirebs erTmaneTs sxvadasxva kulturis adamianebs. rogorc ukve giTxariT amerikeli musikosebi moxiblulebi darCnen im ritmebiT, romelic iamaikidan “movida” maTTan. marto jazmenebs ar vgulisxmob, aramed pop varskvlavebic. martivi, advilad gasagebi, magram Smagi ritmebi adamianebs Soris damyarebuli kontaqtis garantiaa!  es da ara rTuli harmoniuli struqturebi. ritmebi adamianebs ara marto erTmaneTTan, aramed  cxovrebis naTel mxaresTanac akavSirebs. “hei, asworebs! Senc xom kargad xar, Zmao?!  - kolegebis es SeZaxili xSirad mesmoda musikis dakvrisas. iamaikuri martivi ritmebi jazmenebma Zalian axlos miitanes gulTan da rodesac vukravdi, swored Cemi samSoblodan eqsportirebuli ritmebis meSveobiT vakavSirebdi musikosebs erTmaneTTan. es arcaa gasakviri, radgan me xom im musikis mflobeli viyavi, rasac maTTvis vukravdi?! vgulisxmob imas, rom  me da iamaikuri musika da Cemi qveynis ritmebi erTi sxeuli viyaviT; Cemi qveynis musika bunebrivad moedineboda Cemgan,Aamerikelebi ki mzadyofniT momyvebodnen, vinaidan maTTvis sruliad axali, ucnobi elementi Semqonda musikaSi. sul male me maTTvis “is iamaikeli monti” gavxdi da Cemi integracia maT wreSiDsruliad normaluri da gasagebi procesi iyo. Tqven iciT, rom dizi gilesfi laTinuri, kerZod ki kuburi musikiT, kuburi ritmebiT iyo dainteresebuli, Carli farqeri ki kalifsoTi da orive Taviseburad axerxebda am interesebis sakuTari musikisTvis morgebas. dRes ki msoflio ukve iamaikidan mosuli reggis ritmebsaa ayolili, xolo reggi rom ar yofiliyo amerikas albaT arc hif-hofi eqneboda, radganac hif-hofi e.w. iamaikuri “TousTingis” produqtia.


gauxsneli saidumlo

arasdros micdia musikaSi “Cxirkedelaoba.”Mis dRemde saidumlod rCeba CemTvis. rodesac megobar kolegebTan erTad musikaze vsaubrobT, es ki sakmaod iSviaTad xdeba, arasdros vcdilobT sityvebSi warmovadginoT is, rasac vukravT an ris dakvrasac vapirebT. Cven ubralod vgrZnobT da ase vukravT. arsdros micdia musikis gansityveba da arasdros movuxiblivar maswavleblis karieras, Tumca imasac getyvi, rom rodesac axalgazrda muskosebTan muSaoba mixdeba xolme, sakmaod kargad vaxerxeb imis axsnas, rasac vgrZnob. xSirad meubnebian xolme, - “Sen unda aswavlo! axalgazrdebs esaWiroebaT Sennairi gamocdilebis mqone musikosTan saubari da urTierToba, Senc xom ase gaizarde musikosad?” marTals meubnebian, magram amis dro arasdros maqvs xolme. me sul vukrav.


metamorfoza

scena, sadac instrumentebia ganlagebuli da es instrumentebi Sen molodinSi arian, gansakuTrebuli, wminda adgilia. scenaze asvlisas Sen Tan migaqvs Seni erTguleba am instrumentebisadmi da Seni pativiscema im adamianebisadmi, visTan erTadac im saRamos unda daukra. amave dros, SenSi unda iyos pativiscema im adamianebis mimarTac, vinc Sen mosasmenad movida da Tu im dRes vTqvaT trios formatSi ukrav, msmeneli  trios kvartetad aqcevs, radganac is im saRamos musikis nawili xdeba. koncertis win mxolod am metamorfozis SesaZleblobaze unda fiqrobde, sxva araferze. Sen sruliad unda dacarielda yvelaferi danarCenisgan.  Tu koncertis win cols waeCxube da instrumentTan miaxloebisas amaze fiqrob, Rirebuls verafers daukrav.


musikosis pasuxismgeblobis Sesaxeb

musikosis erTaderTi pasuxismgebloba sazogadoebis winaSe aris is, rom imis maqsimumi gaakeTos, risi gakeTebac mxolod mas SeuZlia, anu, kargad daukras. Senive pasuxismgeblobis nawilia isic, rom im erTi mocemuli saRamos ganmavlobaSi cxovrebis wuTebi gaumdidro msmenels. Tu maTi cxovreba mosawyenia, maSin Senma musikam  unda moaxerxos am mowyenilobidan maTi “gandevna” da es raime rTuli xrikebis meSveobiT ki ar unda gaakeTo, aramed martivad da bunebrivad unda moaxerxo. koncertebis dros Cemi musikis wyalobiT msmeneli cildeba yoveldRiurobas. mxolod esaa Cemi misia. ufleba mieci Sen niWs gaibrwyinos da is TviTon daainteresebs msmenels. musikosis valia cota xniT mainc mowyvitos adaminebi yoveldRiurobas da ucnob teritoriebze samogzaurod waiyvanos isini.


gamxnevdiT!

arasdros vcdilob warmatebuli koncertebis gaanalizebas. arasdros vcdilob gavimeoro is, ramac warmateba momitana ama Tu im dRes. xSirad arc ki maxsovs, Tu ratom da rogor moxda ise, rom msmenels moewona Cemi dakruli. mTavaria, rom nebismier samuSao saRamos bendis yvela wevri formaSi iyos da aseT SemTxvevaSi msmeneli aucileblad miiRebs imas, risTvisac koncertze movida. didi gansxvavebaa “me Tqven miyvarxarT!” da “me Tqveni gulebis monadireba minda!”-s Soris. es ukanaskneli qedmaRluria, ara? Cemi midgoma aseTia, - “modi, es saRamo erTad gavataroT!”Ddidma musikosebma swored ase moinadires Cemi guli. lui armsTrongma kargad icoda, rasac akeTebda; is scenaze icinoda, msmenels exumreobda, mere ki saocar musikas ukravda. me aseTi memkvidreobis nawilad mimaCnia Tavi. Cem axal alboms Uplift (gamxneveba) qvia, sadac me vamxneveb ara marto Cem msmenels, aramed sakuTar Tavsac. swored amiTaa jazi ganumeorebeli. is uzarmazari energiis gaRebas iTxovs Cvengan magram mere, ostati rom xdebi,  Seni dakrulis silamaze da daxvewiloba Rimils gvris adamianebis saxeebs.


jazi danamatebis gareSe?

vici, rom arian iseTebi, vinc jazmenebisgan jazis vokabulisadmi erTgulebas moiTxovs da miaCniaT, rom jazs araviTari “danamatebi” ar esaWiroeba, induri, balkanuri Tu espanuri musikis saxiT, magram es avtomaturad mainc xdeba. rodesac warsulis did jazmenebs usmen, im leqsikonsac aqcev yuradRebas, raze dayrdnobiTac isini gesaubrebian, da es leqsikoni miganiSnebs, Tu romel periods ganekuTvneba esa Tu is musika. meores mxriv, musika erTi romelime aTwleulis an epoqis sakuTreba ver gaxdeba. dro icvleba, informaciis raodenoba izrdeba, Sesabamisad icvleba musikac, magram informaciis miRma aris is, rac yvelaze mTavaria, - esaa Seni sakuTari “me,” Seni suli da swored amas vgulisxmob, rodesaac vambob rom musika saidumloebiTaa moculi.

musikaSi dakargulebi

musika rom  SenSi dinebas iwyebs, gaeride mas!  am dros yofiereba Semodis SenSi da yoveldRiurobis meqanikur kontrols gakargvinebs. aseT momentebSi musikis xarisxi yvelaze maRalia. am dros Seni erT muStad Sekvra xdeba, mTeli Seni yofierebis mobilizacia, da ase ikargebi am energetikul velSi, sadac qreba dro sagnebi da adamianebi. rCebiT mxolod Sen da bgera. amave dros, ucnauria, magram SenSi mainc rCeba msmenelTan erTad yofnis yofnis SegrZneba. rodesac vambob, rom musikaSi vikargebi, es niSnavs imas, rom sxvebsac vepatiJebi im adgilas mosaxvedrad, sadac musikas mivyevar. “modi, erTad davikargoT musikaSi!” – vTavazob me maT. uamravi didebuli musikosia, visac usmen da xvdebi, rom dakvris dros is Tavis TavSi, sadRac misTvis ucnob siRrmeebSi ikargeba da am dros is msmenelsac ukan itovebs. magram, amave dros, arian musikosebi, da me erT-erTi maTgani var, visac msmenelTan erTad urCevnia gadakargva. Tu es movaxerxe yvela erTad kaTarzisul gamocdilebas viZenT.        


auCqareblobis aucileblobis Sesaxeb

axalma teqnologiebma erTdroulad bevri ramis keTeba aswavles adamians. erTis mxriv es cudi araa, magram roca saqme musikis Seqmnas exeba vityodi, rom aseTi midgoma namdvilad ver uwyobs xels musikosis zrdas. dro daikarga, vgulisxmob dros, romelic safiqrelad gveZleoda. daikarga saqmisadmi auCqareblad midgomisaTvis aucilebeli dro! sxvanairad rom vTqvaT, auCqarebeli drois gageba daikarga. ra Tqma unda Sors vdgavar im azrisgan, rom niWieri musikosebi aRar ibadebian, piriqiT, uamravi niWieri axalgazrda qmnis dRes musikas, magram maT rogorc wesi auCqareblad daRvinebis dro ar eZlevaT. zedmetad bevri ram xdeba maT garSemo, zedmeti informacia, zedmeti facifuci. ase iqmneba is erTgvari kulturuli deficiti, rac jazis dasakravadaa aucilebeli. ra Tqma unda, niWieri adaminebi niWier adamianebad rCebian, magram drois nakleboba xels uSliT maT TavianTi, unikaluri xmis SeqmnaSi. maT aRar eZlevaT imis dro unikalur musikalur movlenad rom iqcnen. dRes kompiuteri sul ramodenime wuTSi gaZlevs im Sedegs, risTvisac Tavis droze Tveebi unda dagexarja. Sen unda dagexarja, ara kompiuters! Sen jer mTeli musika unda Segesisxlorcebina, imisTvis, rom sakuTari TavisTvis yuris gdeba geswavla. musikaSi es mTavari ramaa. musikaluri kolejebi uamrav niWier musikoss amzadebs, magram im saswavleblebidan gamosulebs daRvinebisTvis sakmarisi dro aRar eZlevaT.


enTuziasti

Cemi daintereseba sxvisi musikiT midis da modis, magram zogjer vxvdebi, rom dResac ki miWirs im musikis xelidan gaSveba, romelic Tavis droze simamovnebis Rimils mgvrida. is musika axal, gansakuTrebiT Rrma grZnobebs aRviZebda CemSi da siamovnebis Rimilic swored am axlis SegrZnebas moyveboda. zogjer xdeba ise, rom didi xnis ganmavlobaSi aranair musika ar vusmen xolme da es musikosisTvis sruliad normaluri mdgomareobaa, magram mere uecrad adreuli periodis romelime pianists movusmen da iwyeba, - “RmerTo, damaviwyda es rom aseTi magari iyo!” an “uh, am monakveTisTvis adre saWiro yuradReba ar damiTmia!” yovelTvis ase xdeba xolme da am dros xdebi Tu rogor Rrma musikas qmniden warsulis didi musikosebi. rac Seexeba axal musikas, RmerTo, garSemo imdeni axali musikaa, rom SeuZlebelia yvelafris mosmena. Zalian dakavebuli adamiani var, magram diax, me dResac musikis enTuziastad vrCebi.