interviu Carlz loidTan

ai, riTi minda daviwyo, - Tu TviT musikis struqturas miviRebT mxedvelobaSi, maSin imis xibli, rasac Tqven akeTebT, yovelTvis iyo is, rom sxva musikosebTan muSaobisas arasdros gagCeniaT survili gesargeblad Tqveni, rogorc bend-lideris mdgomareobiT da maTze win dageyenebiaT sakuTari Tavi. amis magivrad Tqven yovelTvis maTTan erTad mogzaurobdiT da mogzaurobT akustikur samyaroSi da is, riTic ukan brundebiT yovelTvis STambeWdavi da lamazia. rogorc msmenelma didi madloba minda giTxraT amisTvis!

gmadlobT. ho, Cven erTmaneTs vexmarebiT xolme. es musika sada cxovrebis da Rrma fiqris Sedegia. Cven sakmarisad Tavmdablebi unda viyoT musikas CvenSi gavlis saSualeba rom mivceT. me yovel dRe vevedrebi RmerTs amisTvis.

Tqveni musika Zalian piradulia, magram dakvirvebuli var, ramdenadac piradulia musika, imdenadve universaluricaa is. 

amaze ukeTesad me ver vityodi. diax, es asea. WeSmariteba erTia, amitomac Tu g u l a x d i l a d akeTeb imas, rasac akeTeb, maSin is, rasac eZeb TviTon gpoulobs xolme.

araerTxel giTqvamT, rom sisadave, musikaSic da cxovrebaSic, yvelaze mniSvnelovani ramaa TqvenTvis cxovrebis am etapze. nuTu is marTla yvelaze yvelaze mokle gzaa bgeris dasaZebnad?

sisadave isaa, ris misaRwevadac Cven viRwviT. grZeli gza unda gaiaro amas rom miaRwio da am gzaze mdgari mudam damwyebis an, Tu gnebavT S e g i r d i s gonebiT unda uyurebde yvelafers. samyaros x i b l s Tu gaeqeci siRrmeebSi CaSvebis unars ganiviTareb da swored am dros yvelaferi mogecema da yvelafers dainaxav. Cven yvelani s u l i e r i arsebebi varT. mTeli cxovreba meocnebe viyavi, mindoda musikiT samyaro Semecvala, radganac sityvebi sxvadasxva dros sxvadasxva rameebze miuniSneben, bgera ki pirdapir mizanSi xvdeba. me amis mwams da aseT sulier mdgomareobas vendobi; amitomacaa qveynidan qveyanaSi rom daviarebi wlidan wlamde. me bgeris s a m s a x u r S i mdgomi Segirdi var da rac ufro xSirad Camoveclebi bgeras gzidan da ufro Rrma rameebs mivcem CemSi Semosvlis saSualebas, miT ufro  waadgeba es musikas. am dros
d e m a r k a c i i s niSnulebi qreba.

exlac axseneT da adrec giTqvamT, rom gindodaT musikis meSveobiT samyaros Secvla. Tqvenive aRiarebiT es ver moaxerxeT, samagierod didi Zalisxmeva gaiReT sakuTari Tavis Sesacvlelad da moaxerxeT kidec es. daaxloebiT msgavsi ram aqvs naTqvami soni rolinzsac erT-erT gviandel interviuSi. man Tqva musikis dakvra gasamdidreblad ki ar dagviwyia, aramed adamianebi rom gavmxdariyaviTo. ramdenadac vxvdebi sakuTari Tavis Secvla samyaros Secvlaze naklebad rTuli ar unda iyos.   

diax, me erTxel marTlac vTqvi, rom axalgazrdobaSi musikis meSveobiT samyaros Secvla mindoda, es ver movaxerxe da samagierod sakuTari Tavi Sevcvale meTqi, magram mere, garkveuli drois ganmavlobaSi  amaze ocnebasac SeveSvi da laparaksac. ho, rogorc xedavT samyaros Secvla ver movaxerxe, Tumca bolo dros isev vubrundebi im azrs, rom musikiT samyaros Secvla SesaZlebelia. saqme imaSia, rom wlebis ganmavlobaSi bevri mniSvnelovani musikosis, didi ostatis Segirdi vyofilvar da maT Sorisaa aw gardacvlili bili higinsi, saocari adamiani, drameri da Cemi sayvarel megobari. am samyaros rom tovebda, man miTxra, - “Carlz, Cven aucileblad unda gavagrZeloT musikaze e r T a d muSaoba!” me vkiTxe, - “ukan dabrunebas apireb?” A”ara, - mipasuxa man, - ukan ver movbrundebi, magram mudam SenTan viqnebi.” me vgrZnob, rom yvela is didi musikosi, visi Segirdic viyavi, higinsiviT mudam CemTan iqnebian. maTi locva mexmareba musikis gamdidrebaSi. rac Seexeba higinss, Mis rom gardaicvala, Tavis magivrad erik harlandi (loidis axlandeli bendis drameri k.T) gamomigzavna. ase gagrZeldeba usasrulod, - erTi wava da sxvas gamogigzavnis; higinsi wavida, harlandi movida. sanam S e m o q m e d i Tavis TamaSs agrZelebs me dakvra ar unda Sevwyvito, sxvanairad ar SeiZleba. rodesac musikosebi CemTan modian da meubnebian, rom Cems mier Seqmnil akustikur sivrceSi undaT moxvedra, es CemTvis Zalis momcemia. is miganiSnebs imaze, rom ver gaCerdebi, unda gaagrZelo, radganac exla mec myavs Segirdebi da maTTan erTad unda gavagrZlo frena. maRla haerSi rom aiWrebi ufleba aRar gaqvs dabla daiwyo yureba! mxolod zemoT unda iyuro. leroi seTCel feijma, beisbolistma, erTxel aseTi rame Tqva, - “win rom mirbixar, ukan nu ixedebi, SeiZleba rame an vinme geweodeso!” gecodinebaT, rom erTxel, samocianebis bolos, swored imis gamo, rom davrwmundi, musikis meSveobiT samtaros ver Sevcvlidi, didi xniT Sevwyvite dakvra. mere, oTxmocianebis bolos, isev gavagrZele da erT mSvenier dRes isev metaka eWvis Wia; megona, rom is, rasac vakeTeb aravis Wirdeboda. mzad viyavi yvelaferi mimegdo da big surSi, Cem saxlSi gamovketiliyavi. ori Tu sami kviris ganmavlobaSi vmarxulobdi, mere ki stumrad higinsi mewvia da me mas Cemi eWvebi gavuziare: “bili, mgoni aravis Wirdeba is, rasac Cven vakeTebT!” man mipasuxa: “gavkari yvelas, Cven xom gvWirdeba!” is marTali aRmoCnda. 

musikaluri samyaro Sepyrobilia a x l i s Seqmnis ideiT, magram Tqven jiutad imeorebT, rom Tqveni mizani ufro Zvelis (old) Seqmnaa, vidre axlis.      

Zvelis? iqneb “mTliani” (whole) vTqvi?  

ara, yvelagan sityva “Zvelia” naxsenebi da es swored isaa, ramac ase damaintesesa.

modi, amis garkvevaSi dagexmarebiT, – me winaprebisgan vswavlob Wkuas da sibrZnes; maTgan, vinc Cemze adre cxovrobdnen. me maT mxrebze vdgavar da im simaRlidan vuyureb yvelafers. meores mxriv, Cven dRevandelobaSi vcxovrobT, Sesabamisad Tanamedroveobac unda SemoviyvanoT imaSi, rasac vakeTebT. poeti ar var da ver mogawvdiT Tanamedroveobis safuZvlian ganmartebas, amitomac ai, ase vityvi, -  CemTvis iyo T a n a m e d r o v e niSnavs S e q m n a, daukra m o c e m u l  momentSi. Cven xSirad vimeorebT, rom Tanamedrove samyaroSi vcxovrobT, magram man ver moutana adamians verc mSvidoba da verc sulieri simSvide. marTalia, Tanamedrove samyarom sxvadasxva miznebis misaRwevad ufro meti samuSao i a r a R i SemogvTavaza da Cven am iaraRebs viyenebT kidec samyaros ukeT Sesacnobad, magram mimaCnia, rom saukeTeso iaraRi mainc isaa, rodesac sakuTar gonebas Segirdad amyofeb da ara mbrZaneblad. me wlebi memateba da viRacas SeiZleba egonos, rom vberdebi. ara, me ar vberdebi, me v m T l i a n d e b i, amitomac Cem koncertze rom modixarT kargi iqneba Tu savarZlebs Rvedebi eqneba!

adamianisaTvis, vinc samyarosaTvis kvdeba, dro sxvanairad unda muSaobdes, ara? 

aranairi dro ar arsebobs! arsebobs mxolod mocemuli wami, mxolod a x l a! swored amas vgulisxmob, rodesac Tanamedroveobaze vlaparakob. dro araa Sens ukan; is arc Sens winaa. is exlaa.

arseboben bgeris S e m g r o v e b l e b i da bgeris
m a Z i e b l e b i. rogor eZeben bgeras es ukanasknelni?   

isini bgeris mistikuri gardasaxvis saSualebebs eZeben. bgris misticizmi yvelaferia! musika kargi imitomaa, rom is meoTxe gamzomilebaa. mas aqvs amis SesaZlebloba. erTxel, aTenis akropolisSi rom vukravdi, iseTi SegrZneba mqonda, rom yvela qva gacocxlda da reagirebda musikaze. bgeraSi cxovreba kurTxevasaviTaa, amitomac Tu gulaxdili xar aucileblad S e m o g e g e b e b i a n da yovelTvis Cawvdebi Sens miRma arsebul siRrmeebs. aseT momentebSi ar gWirdeba arc navTobisaTvis brZola, arc msoflios dapyroba. arian generlebi, vinc adamianebs da erebs ipyroben, magram me imas gavyvebi vinc sakuTari Tavis dapyroba erTxel mainc moaxerxa. samyaro iluzaa, is maiaa, amitomac unda gamoiRviZo da Seigno, rom mTeli cxovreba sxva araferia Tu ara mzadeba sikvdilisaTvis. es cikluri movlenaa da amaSi kargi isaa, rom Sen SegiZlia dabadebis da sikvdilis ciklis miRma gadaabijo da amas rom  miaRwio Tavidan unda daibado sulierebaSi. aq ar vgulisxmob sulierebisadmi organizebuli religiebis xist midgomas. me SeerTebul StatebSi vcxovrob; is religiuri qveyanaa, magram is araa sulieri qveyana; me ki sulierebas veswrafi. Cemi didi bebia Cerokis tomis indieli iyo; “TeTri Rrubeli” erqva da Tavis droze, rodesac TeTrkanianebi indielebs maTive miwebidan asaxlebdnen, man uari Tqva “cremlebis bilikis” gavlaze (1930 wels, prezidentma enriu jeqsonma xeli moawera amerikeli indielebis maTive miwebidan gasaxlebis dokuments, romlis mixedviTac ganxorcielda indielTa Zaladobrivi migracia samxreT-aRmosavleT teritoriebidan e.w. “indielTa teritoriaze” migraciis gza dRes “cremlebis bilikiTaa” cnobili. k.T). iqedan moyolebuli amerikaSi araferi Seclila. Zaladoba ufro daxvewili da SeumCneveli gaxda, magram Tu am kurss gadauxvev sxva gziT moaxerxeb siarulis gagrZelebas. minda icodeT, rom Cven, amerikelebs, dResac isev plantaciis sistemasTan gvaqvs saqme, magram me arsdros mindoda raime saerTos daWera am sistemasTan. samyaroo ise mowyobili, rom mas ar unda Seni simRera rom imRero. miuxedavad amisa, Cven mainc vagrZelebT Cveni simReris mReras. am dros RmerTs RmerTisas vuzRavT, keisars ki keisrisas, magram keisari ver Semodgams fexs imaSi, rasac Cven vakeTebT, radganac Cven bgeraSi b r a h m a n i a Cabudebuli.   

amasTan dakavSirebiT erTi ucnauri kiTxva minda dagisvaT, romelic arc erTxel ar damisvams musikosisTvis. meores mxriv ar var darwmunebuli, rom is moulodneli iqneba TqvenTvis, radganac TqvenTvis ucxo ar unda iyos aseT rameebze saubari. ramdenad xarT dainteresebuli cifrebiT zogadad da musikasTan mimarTebaSi?   

yovelTvis mainteresebda maTematika da zogadad cifrebi, fibonaCis sistema da ase Semdeg, Tumca arasdros vsaubrob aseT rameebze, radganac miWirs amis siytvebiT aRwera. samyaro da musika cifrebze dgas. cifrebi! ucnauri ramaa cifrebi! cxra TerTmetze ra Tqma unda gsmeniaT (9/11 – 2001 wlis 11 seqtemberi, dRe, rodesac ganxorcielda teroristuli aqtebi niu-iorkSi, arlingtonSi (virjinia) da SenqsvilSi (pensilvania) k.T), amitomac erT saintereso ambavs moguiyvebiT, musikisgan mocilebuls, magram cifrebTan dakavSirebuls. 10 seqtembers niu-iorkSi CavediT da msoflio saaaWro centris axlos, sastumro “mariotSi” gavCerdiT, apartamentSi 44 sarTulze, saidanac didebuli panoramuli xedi iSleba mdinareze da manheTenze. erTi kviris ganmavlobaSi jaz-klub “blu nouTSi” unda damekra. imave dRes, raRac mSeneblobis gamo, sastumroSi telefonebi gaiTiSa da doroTis, Cemo meuRlis biZam Tavisi saxli dagviTmo.  im saxlis misamarTi iyo 2-25.11 uesTi. mixvdiT?

vera.

miumateT cifrebi erTmaneTs.

9/11 gamodis. gavige!

es ambavi imitom mogiyeviT, rom mimxvdariyaviT Tu ramdenad yuradRebiT var cifrebis mimarT, magram nu momTxovT musikasTan mimarTebaSi amaze rom gesaubroT. ubralod, uinteresod gamomiva.

dRes, sul ramodenime saaTSi, koncerti unda daukraT, amitomac modi amiT davasruloT. erTsac gkiTxavT, es Tqveni pirveli koncrti iqneba saqarTveloSi. ras eliT Cvengan, qarTveli msmenelisagan?  

me ar vicnob qarTvel msmenels, magra, vityvi imas, rom  g u l –a x d i l i  da siyvaruliT savse Camovedi aq, Sesabamisad vgrZnob, rom igives unda velodo Tqvengan. es ganwyoba haerSi trialebs aq. guSin saRamos CamovediT, daRlili viyavi da sadils ver daveswari, amitomac doroTim cota saWmeli nomerSi amomitana. didebuli, CemTvis ucnobi kerZebi iyo, magram erTi ram, rac gavsinje Zlier gavda Cemi indieli winaprebis simindisgan gamomcxvar kvers, bavSvobaSi rom mimaspinZldebodnem memfisSi, misisipis StatSi. mere kalmaxic gavsinje, romelic zustad ise iyo momzadebuli bebiaCemi rogorc amzadebda xolme.  ucnauria, SegiZlia senegalSi iyo an, sadme sxvagan da aseTi erTi SexedviT umniSvnelo rameebi sakuTar biografiasTanA gakavSirebs xolme. bevrs vmogzaurob, bevri sxvadasxva msmenelis winaSe miwevs dakvra, amitomac xSirad mekiTxebian Tu romel qveyanaSi an qalaqSia yvelaze kargi msmeneli. am SekiTxvaze pasuxi ar maqvs, radganac me musikiT movdivar da karg musikaze yvelas erTnairi reaqcia aqvs. ho, sxvaTaA Soris, dRes diliT doroTi qalaqSi gavida saseirnod, romeliRac eklesiaSi Sevida da iqauri galoba Caiwera telefonze. sastumroSi rom dabrunda momasmenina. saocrad mgrZnobiare musika iyo! saocrad! da mec zustad iseTi reaqcia mqonda, rogorc yvela normalur msmenels.   ramdeni wlis xarT?

ormocdaTerTmetis.

eseigi SesaZlebelia, rom 1967 wels, talinSi Cemi yofnis dros, Tqvenc daswrebodiT Cem concerts, ara? 

ara, maSin Svidi wlis viyavi, magram ramodenime Cemi ufrosi megobari daeswro im legendarul concerts.

icodiT, rom is adamiani, Tu adamianebis jgufi, vinc gabeda da koncertze mimiwyvia cixeSi Casves amisTvis?

diax.