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2008 wels torontoSi gamarTul jazis SemswavlelTa saerTaSoriso asociaciis gamxsnel Sexvedraze Tqven ganacxadeT: “jazi yoveldRiurad gvaxsenebs, rom cocxlebi varT.” amasTanave uinTon marsalisi Tavis wignSi Moving to the Higher Ground wers: “jazi aris matarebeli, romelic yovelTvis momavlidan modis Seni mimarTulebiT.” miuxedavad amisa,  am musikis msmenelebi xSirad mis warsulSi Sexedvas amjobineben. mainteresebs, ratom gvaxsenebs jazi imas, rom cocxlebi varT, ratom modis is momavlidan da ratom urCevnia bevrs jazis warsuli mis awmyos? 
           
is gvaxsenebs rom cocxlebi varT imitom, rom jazs aqvs unari, mocemul momentSi, musikosis imwamieri SegrZnebebi msmenels myisierad gadasces. Tavisi bunebiT jazi improvizaciuli xelovnebaa da  Sesabamisad aRiarebiTi da gan-cxadebiTi. dakvrisas jazmeni sakuTari aq-yofnis Sesaxeb acxadebs da vinaidan individualoba jazis suli da gulia, am dros musikosi aq-yofnis mTel pasuxismgeblobas sakuTar Tavze iRebs. amitomacaa, magaliTad, rom jo lovano mxolod jo lovanosaviT JRers. mas sakuTari unikaluri bgera da am bgeris meSveobiT sakuTari im-wamindeli SegrZnebebis gan-cxadebis da gamo-aSkaravebis unari aqvs, iseve, rogorc jon hendriqss, uinTon marsaliss an Terens blanCards. dakvrisas an simRerisas TiToeuli maTgani ai, am mocemul wams, am mocemul momentSi acxadebs sakuTari arsebobis Sesaxeb. jazi momavlidan modis imitom, rom xelovani adamianebi, da ar vgulisxmob mxolod jazmenebs, aramed poetebs, mwerlebs, mxatvrebs da ase Semdeg, sazogadoebis danarCen wevrebze ufro kargad axerxeben momavlisaTvis “yuris-gdebas.” rainer maria rilke, avstrieli poeti, ambobda, - “me ukidegano sivrciT garSemortymuli bairaRiviT var, vgrZnob moaxloebul qars da danarCenebze adre viwyeb frials.” diax, xelovanebi is adamianebi arian, visac momavlis mimarTulebiT aqvs nabiji gadadgmuli, imas grZnoben, rac jer aq araa; amitom xSirad is, rasac Cven mocemul momentSi vgrZnobT, momavlidan awmyoSi “SemoWrili” miniSnebebia. am mxriv jazi mudam mo-mavalia, jazmenebi ki _ jer-ar-damdgaris TviTmxilvelebi. rac Seexeba imas, Tu ratom izidavs adamianebs jazis warsuli: pirvel rigSi, albaT nostalgiis gamo; imitom, rom SegviZlia warsulSi “war-moTqmuli” gan-cxadebebis imdroindel konteqstSi aRqma da sxva Cveni danarCeni SegrZnebebisgan izolireba. Cven SegviZlia maTi kontroli. yvelas Tanabrad ar SeuZlia mocemul momentSi Seqmnili musikis aRqma. es arcTu ise advilia, rogorc es SeiZleba egonoT, radganac improvizirebuli musikis smena garkveuli TvalsazrisiT musikosis intenciebis myisieri gaSifvris unars gulisxmobs. jazis warsuli kidev albaT imitom gvizidavs, rom imdroindeli musikosebis mier Seqmnili musika saocrad lamazia da Sesabamisad dros uZlebs. agreTve, vfiqrob, CvenTvis warsulis musika imitomaa aseTi momxibvleli, rom ubralod yuri gvaqvs miCveuli, is ukve monelebuli da
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zemoT naxseneb wignSi marsalisi ambobs, rom, musikis garda, yvelaze Rirebuli gakveTilebi, rac ki mas jazSi miuRia, TviTon jazmenebis mier kolegebze da zogadad musikis keTebis procesze naambobi istoriebia, realobaSi momxdari Tu apokrifuli. diskebze da Zalian xSirad koncertebzec Tqven Zalian saintereso istoriebs hyvebiT warsulis did musikosebze. es istoriebi Zen-budisturi koanebiviTaa, xSirad dausrulebeli da mravlismTqmeli miniSnebebiT savse. es ambebi jazis, rogorc musikaluri formis xibliT da erTgulebiTaa gamsWvaluli. rogor ggoniaT, moaxerxebT Tu ara Tqven da Tqveni Taobis danarCeni musikosebi iseTive saintereso istoriebis datovebas Semdegi Taobis musikosebisaTvis?         

yvelaze mniSvnelovani, rasac jazmenebi Taobidan Taobas gadascemen, musikis ena da musikalur formebSi SeCerebuli Jestebia. musikosebs mxolod ase SegviZlia sakuTari individualobis erTmaneTisTvis Cveneba. magram, rogorc Cans, saerTo interesebiT gaerTianebul, garkveuli cxovrebis wesiT mcxovreb adamianebis jgufs sxva, eqscentriuli gziTac uCndeba xolme erTmaneTis garTobis Tu damoZRvris survili. Tu erTxel  mainc gqoniaT wina Taobis musikosebTan erTad saRamos gatarebis Sansi, advilad mixvdebiT, Tu ras gulisxmobs uinToni. maT mier moTxrobili istoriebi sulierad gamdidrebs da ufro metis gagebisa da aRmoCenisken gibiZgebs. ar vici, Cemi Taobis musikosebi am TvalsazrisiT iseTive momxibvlelebi arian Tu ara, magram erTs ki getyviT, piradad me mimaCnia, rom Cven, jazmenebi Zalian saintereso kampania varT, Tumca xSirad _ iseTive autanlebi, rogorc yvela sxva danarCeni adamiani. davumateb imasac, rom msgavsi istoriebis siRrme da xarisxi imazecaa damokidebuli, Tu vin ras eZebs an eZebda musikaSi. es cxovrebiseuli Rirebulebebis Zebnis procesiviTaa. jon qolTreini cdilobda, TviTgamoxatvis iseTi sulieri gza moeZebna, rac mas RmerTTan, an Tu gnebavT cxovrebis ze-sulTan miiyvanda. adamianebi swored amis gamo afasebdnen mas da aseTive Rrma musikis Seqmnis imediT cdilobdnen, misi cxovrebis wesiT ecxovraT. SeiZleba xSirad maTi musika iseTive Rrma da saintereso ar iyo, magram qolTreinis wyalobiT, maT, rogorc Semoqmedebma, bevrad ufro maRal safexurze moaxerxes asvla. jazSi iyvenen iseTebic, visac lazaTiani drostareba da ubralod kargi musikis dakvra undoda. diuq elingTonis da qaunT beisis bendebis wevrebs yvelaze ufro dakvris procesi da hari-harale cxovreba izidavdaT. esec absoluturad normalurad mimaCnia, radgan “naRdis” velSi Sebijeba am gziTac SeiZleba. nurc  is dagaviwydebaT, rom jazmenebi Cveulebrivi adamianebi arian da didebis xibli maTTvisac araa ucxo. saxelis moxveWam da sayovelTao didebam zogs avno, zogs ki veraferi daaklo. jazis istoriaSi aris iseTi SemTxvevebic, rodesac warsulis zogierT saxelganTqmul musikosTan miaxloebis Sanss mxolod maT mier Seqmnili musika gaZlevs. xSirad didebis gamo izolirebul artistebs mxolod da mxolod sakuTari musikis saSualebiT SeeZloT adamianebTan miaxloeba. rogorc xedavT sakmaod mravalferovani suraTia. magram yvelaze mniSvnelovani mainc isaa, rom didi jazmenebis nebismier cxovrebiseul gzas fonad saocari silamazis musika gasdevs da im istoriebis mTeli xiblic pirvel rigSi swored es musikaa.  

ramdenadac mesmis jazSi asea: Tu namdvilad ginda, vinmes mier Seqmnil muskas pativi miago, Seni xma unda ipovno. dRevandeli kulturuli prioritetebis gaTvaliswinebiT ramdenad Zneli SeiZleba iyos es damwyebi musikosebisTvis?

yvelaze didi sxvaoba dRevandel axalgazrdobasa da maT Soris, vinc gasuli saukunis ormocian da ormocdaaTian wlebSi uxdebodaT musikaSi fexis mokideba, isaa, rom dRevandeli kultura saocrad homogenizirebulia. dRes “maqdonaldsi” da “sTarbaqsi” mTel msoflioSia modebuli. daakvirdiT, yvela tele-wamyvani erT pozaSi zis, erTnairad iRimis, yvelas erTnairad acvia; axalgazrdebs erT yaidaze gamoWrili formatiT miewodebaT yvelaferi, iqneba es “Cven veZebT talantebs” Tu sxva nebismieri kuturuli “kerZi.” yvelaferi es mxatvarisaTvis aucilebeli ferebiviTaa; Tu suraTis dasaxatad intensiuri pigmenti Tavidanve ar gamoiyene, maSin SemdgomSi mxolod erTgvarovani ferebiT  mogiwevs muSaoba da SeiZleba ferebis gradaciis Sesaxeb saerTod veraferi gaigo. ormocian da ormocdaaTian wlebSi bevrma arc ki icoda, Tu ra iyo televizori da amitomac ZiriTadad im musikas usmendnen, rac adgilobrivi Temebis farglebSi iqmneboda da emociuradac ufro axlos iyo maTTan. aris aseTi saocari momRerali ralf sTenli, romelic hilbilis stilSi mReris. is oTxmocsaa gadacilebuli; mTebSi gaizarda, amerikis Soreul StatSi, da bavSvobidan mxolod im musikas usmenda, rasac misi ojaxis an soflis Temis wevrebi ukravdnen da mRerodnen. is dRemde im adgilobrivi musikaluri maragiT sargeblobs da swored amitomacaa misi saundi aseTi TviTmyofadi da adgilis niSniT gamorCeuli. sakuTar musikas is TiTqos saCuqrad uZRvnis danarCen samyaros. rac Seexeba jazs, gasuli saukunis ormocianebsa da ormocdaaTianebSi konservatoriebSi ar arsebobda jazis Semswavleli kursebi, ar gamoicemoda jazis Seswavlis  saxelmZRvaneloebi da amitomac adamianebs im adgilis aRqma SeeZloT, sadac gaizardnen. es maT sakuTari pirovnebis ukeTesad SeswavlaSi exmarebodaT. dRes ki is axalgazrdebi, visac pirovnebebad surT Camoyalibeba, didi gamowvevis winaSe dganan _ erTgvarovani kulturis uzarmazari talRa walekviT emuqreba maT individualobas. amitom an gansakuTrebulad niWierebi unda iyvnen, rac maT istoriul movlenad aqcevs musikaSi, an kidev gverdiT unda edgeT vinme gamocdili, ukve xanSi Sesuli adamiani, romelic talantis Semdgom ganviTarebaSi daexmarebaT. ra Tqma unda, musikaluri ganaTlebis TvalsazrisiT, dRes axalgazrdebi ukeTes mdgomareobaSi arian, radgan konservatoriebSi musikosisTvis aucilebel unarebs iZenen, magram xSirad mxolod am unarebis amara rCebian kidec. jon hendriqsi miyveboda, Tu rogor swavlobda simReras aTi Tu TerTmeti wlis rom iyo. arT TeiTumi, didi jaz pianisti imave quCaze cxovrobda da jons musikis gakveTilebs utarebda. rodesac joni gakveTilze midioda, TeiTumi rTul, arpejirebul frazas daukravda da eubneboda: “aba, axla midi da gaimeore, rac davukari”. es bevrad ufro Rrmaa, vidre nebismieri konservatoria.       

araerTxel giTqvamT, rom dRes kulturas yvelaze mTavari ram aklia _ idumaleba. ratom migaCniaT es nakli ase mniSvnelovnad dRevandel konteqstSi? 

es mxolod amerikas ar exeba. internetis epoqaSi es sayovelTao movlenaa da saWiroze zedmetad ganviTarebul da Cven samsaxurSi Camdgar teqnologiebTanaa kavSirSi. dRes SeuZlebeli xdeba mozRvavebuli informaciis srulad gadaxarSva. es yvelaferi ukve kulturuli, an Tu gnebavT, politikuri oligarqiasaviTaa. Cven myisierad migviwvdeba xeli iseT informaciaze, rac kulturuli ideebis da normebis gavrcelebas aadvilebs. am xerxiT Cven gvkarnaxoben, - es lamazia, es mniSvnelovania, Caicvi es, naxe es filmi, ai eseni mniSvnelovani adamianebi arian da ase Semdeg. es yvelaferi ki imis nacvlad, rom Tavadve SegveZlos ferebis, gemoebis, enebis, an Tundac Cacmulobis stilis amouwuravi maragidan amorCeva. idumali dafarulidan modis, da Tu, magaliTad, me erT adgilas vcxovrob da arasdros Sevxvedrivar viRacas, vinc sxvagan cxovrobs, maSin is CemTvis idumalebiTaa moculi. magram Tu Cven ukve internetSi SevxvdiT erTmaneTs da Facebook-is megobrebi varT, maSin es namdvili gamowvevaa Cemi kreatiulobisTvis. Tumca, ra ucnauradac unda JRerdes Cemi sityvebi, es amave dros axali SesaZleblobacaa. ratom? imitom, rom rodesac adamianebis oTxmoci procenti erT mxares ixedeba, Sen ki sxva mimarTulebiT gaixedav, SesaZloa, axal samuSao sivrceSi moxvde. erTaderTi minusi, rac amas SeiZleba hqondes, isaa, rom SeiZleba aravis moundes SenTvis amaSi fulis gadaxda.    

ramdenad rCeba dRes jazi amerikis kulturuli identurobis barometrad?

jazs rTuli da amave dros SesaZleblobebiT savse dro udgas. rTuli _ imitom, rom am musikis mxardaWerisTvis aucilebeli organizaciebi, xmis Camwer kompaniebs vgulisxmob, gadaSenebis gzas adgas. iSleba msmenelisTvis jazis miwodebis tradiciuli sabazro gzebi. gamimarTla, rom infrastruqturis dezintegraciis procesis dawyebamde lamis erT-erTi ukanaskneli aRmovCndi Blue Note-isTvis saintereso musikosTa siaSi. Blue Note-is meSveobiT turneebSi siaruli daviwye da dRes ukve myavs msoflioSi msmenelis garkveuli raodenoba, visac mosmenili aqvs Cemi cocxali gamosvlebi. Sesabamisad, me ukve maqvs imis saSualeba, rom swored maTTvis gavagrZelo musikis wera. meore mxriv, SesaZleblobebiT savse dro jazs imitom udgas, rom jazmenebi improvizatorebi varT da gamudmebiT q a o s S i gviwevs yofna. Tu Cven Zalas ar daviSurebT musikis msmenelamde miRwevis axali gzebis saZebnelad, albaT sxvaze ukeTes mdgomareobaSi aRmovCndebiT, radgan qaosTan urTierToba Cven ukve rutinad gveqca; abstraqtul formebTan urTierTobis unari CvenSi bunebrivadaa Cadebuli, bazari ki sxva arferia, Tu ara abstraqtuli forma.

Tqveni koncertebi, sajaro gamosvlebi da interviuebi savsea meister ekhartis, jalaledin rumis, sol belous, fridrih holderlinis Tu rilkes citatebiT. es erTgvari faruli mcdelobaa, rom adamianebs frTxilad miawodoT es avtorebi da maTi teqstebi Tu es isaa, rac Tqveni musikaluri muxtis damatebiT provocirebas axdens?    
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es mTliani suraTis detalia. yvela es da sxva danarCeni avtorebis teqstebi rom ar wamekiTxa sruliad gansxvavebuli warmodgena meqneboda imis Sesaxeb, Tu ra mimarTulebiT unda memoZrava rogorc simRerebis teqstebis avtors. rogorc ki aRmovaCine, Tu rogor akeTebdnen amas jon hendriqsi da sxva didi momRerlebi, maSinve mivxvdi, rom mec meZleva sakuTari individualobis gamoxatvis Sansi da rom arsebobs gzebi, romelTa meSveobiTac SemiZlia jazSi CemTvis saintereso ideebis Semotana; Tan mTeli es procesi saSualebas momcems, gaverkve, Tu vin var me rogorc musikosi da rogorc pirovneba. aqac gamimarTla, radganac vokalizi, rogorc vokaluri stili jazSi (vokalizi - stili vokalur jazSi, rodesac momRerali originalur teqsts wers sxva musikosis mier Seqmnil instrumentul masalaze. k.T)  Zalian axalgazrda xelovnebaa. miuxedavad imisa, rom am JanrSi sakmao raodenobis didi musikosi muSaobda, dRes axlis Semosatanad mainc sakmarisi sivrcea darCenili. rodesac poeziis istoriaze fiqrob, xvdebi, rom ar arsebobs Tundac erTi umniSvnelo, mciredi Temac ki, rasac poetis sityva ar Sexebia. samagierod, TiTqmis yamiri miwaa is teritoria, sadac me vmuSaob. winaT simReris teqstebis Tematika ZiriTadad amgvari iyo: “hei, sayvarelo, wamomyevi saxlSi”... an sxva raime msgavsi. aman sakmaod didi Sansi damitova Janris Semdgomi ganviTarebisaTvis. Tanac, me xom akustikuri Sedevrebis TiTqmis amouwurav marags viyeneb samuSaod, uein SorTeriT dawyebuli da herbi henqoqiT dasrulebuli?!   

im akustikuri Sedevrebis Zalian didi nawili, romlebzec axla vsaubrobT, im mizniT namdvilad ar iwereboda, rom SemdgomSi maTTvis vinmes sityvebi moergo. rogorc musikis rigiTma msmenelma ra gza unda gaiaroT im momentamde, rom zavinulis, SorTeris an jareTis instrumentul kompoziciebze sityvebis Seqmnis gadawyvetileba miiRoT?  

rogorc yvela jazis fani, mec asjer da aTasjer vusmen xolme imas, rac momwons, Semdeg ki raRac unda moxdes CemSi iseTi, rac magrZnobinebs, rom ama Tu im instrumentul masalas Tu gamoviyeneb, is aucileblad gasagebi iqneba adamianebisTvis. ideebi yovelTvis ufro mniSvnelovania CemTvis, vidre is, Tu rogor mivawodeb maT msmenels. amiT imis Tqma minda, rom es ukanaskneli ukve Cemi, rogorc profesionals aqtivobis is nawilia, rac me kargad vici, rogor vakeTo. Telonius monqs iseTi saSemsruleblo teqnika ar hqonda, rogoric danarCen pianistebs, magram iseTi mZlavri ideebis matarebeli iyo, rom yvela masze swordeboda. minda, rom is misteriebi, rasac me vqmni, swored ideebis meSveobiT aRwevdes msmenelamde da Tan rac SeiZleba gasagebi formiT. vokalizi isedac rTuli Janria da me ar viltvi zedmeti sirTulisken. Sesabamisad, virCev iseT masalas,S romelSic ukve devs es SesaZleblobebi.  

albaT swored amitom migaCniaT, rom koncertebis dros aRsaqmelad rTuli musikis Sesrulebisas aucilebelia sityviT an Tundac JestikulaciiT daexmaroT msmenels. ratom ggoniaT, rom msmenels artistis daxmareba esaWiroeba?

jazs rac Seexeba, ar minda msmenelis TvalSi, rogorc Cven vambobT xolme, “yovlismcodne semiviT” gamoviyurebode da wamdauwum vuCiCino, Tu rogor unda usminon Cems musikas. minda, Cemi msmeneli,Eramdenadac SesaZlebelia, mravalricxovani gavxado, magram es marto Cemi warmatebisTvis ki ara, jazis Semdgomi popularizaciisaTvis mWirdeba. Tu koncertze kargad vimuSaveb da am dros adamianebs xels Sevuwyob, rom jazis smenisas Rrma emociebi ganicadon, maSin isini isev movlen Cem mosasmenad, magram amjerad maT ukve ecodinebaT, Tu vinaa uein SorTeri an lesTer iangi, radganac pirvel koncertze ukve vaxsene maTi saxelebi da movaxerxe am musikosebiT msmenelis moxibvla. me  Sevqmeni veli, sadac adamianebs gauCndaT kiTxva: “vinaa uein SorTeri? vinaa lesTer iangi?” es ki ukve patara nabijia jazis sicocxlisunarianobis SesanarCuneblad. momRerlebi yovelTvis jazis erTgvari elCebi iyvnen, radganac, melodiis garda, isini sityvebiTac operireben. Yyvelas SeuZlia cot-cota simRera da, simRera Tu ara _ laparaki mainc. amitomac umravlesobisaTvis kargad gasagebia momRerlebis mier Seqmnili vibraciebi da es Zalian mniSvnelovania CemTvis. ar var darwmunebuli, rom msgavsi midgoma yvela musikosisaTvis misaRebia. mailz devisi koncertebis dros, rogorc wesi, msmenelisken zurgSeqceviT idga da ise ukravda. es mas gasdioda imitom, rom msoflioSi erTaderTi mailz devisia, ara? mailzi maRla dafrinavda, kurt elingi ki dabla, bevrad ufro dabla dafrinavs. swored amitom me ufro megobrulad unda viyo ganwyobili msmenelisadmi.                        

turneebis  dros Tqven msoflios mraval qveyanaSi xvdebiT da albaT xSiria, rodesac msmenels ar esmis, Tu raze mReriT, im ubralo mizeziT, rom inglisuri ar ician. arada Tqveni SemoqmedebisTvis Zalian mniSvnelovania, esmodeT, raze mReriT. rogor iqceviT aseT SemTxvevebSi?

me sakmaod rTuli musikaluri formebiT vmuSaob da SeCveuli var, rom TviT inglisurenovan msmenelsac ar esmis yvelaferi pirvelive mosmeniT, arafers vambob arainglisurenovan msmenelze. aseT SemTxvevaSi ubralod jazis ZiriTad elementebs veyrdnobi _ sawyis ritms, melodias, suings. es asea da sxvas verafers izam. koncertis dros yvela yvelafers bolomde ver aRiqvams. scenaze dgaxar da Sen cxovrebiseul gamocdilebas uziareb maT, magram adamianebi Sen mosasmenad sakuTari cxovrebiseuli gamocdilebiT datvirTulebi modian. mniSvneloba aqvs imasac, Tu rogor xasiaTze arian isini am dros _ eZinebaT Tu ara, mSivrebi xom ar arian, ramdenad sazrianebi arian, ramdenad swrafad miedineba musika da ase Semdeg. amitomac, koncertebis dros vcdilob, cota dro maTTan sasaubrod davitovo, vuCveno, rom Zalisxmevas ar viSureb, da am dros adamianebi xvdebian ZiriTads, emociur doneze mainc. xolo Tu isini kidev erTxel daeswrebian Cem koncerts, ukve ufro Rrmad “SevtopavT.” es isaa, rac Zalian mniSvnelovania jaz-instrumentalistebisTvisac, vinaidan isini sityvebs ki ara, musikis Zalas eyrdnobian. rodesac iseTi musikosebi rogorebic arian Terens blanCardi an jon sqofildi scenaze dganan, maT musikis enis garda arc erT enaze saubari ar esaWiroebaT da es ubralo garToba ar gegonoT, radganac instrumentalur musikas SeuZlia imis gakeTeba, rasac vokaluri Janri ver miaRwevs. instrumentalur musikas ZaluZs darbazSi msxdom TiToeul adamians Tavis sakuTar, intimur enaze esaubros, radganac musika enis miRma dgas da am dros viRacas eRimeba imitom, rom raRac axsendeba, viRacas _ imitom, rom esa Tu is musikaluri fraza sasacilo istorias axsenebs, viRacas imitom, rom is RmerTze fiqrobs, viRacas ki imitom, rom sayvarel adamianze fiqrobs. zogjer, rodesac aseT mZlavr musikaze sityvebis dadebas viwyeb, eWvi mRrRnis, ramdenad sworad viqcevi, zians xom ar vayeneb, rodesac aseTi simZlavris audio movlenas sityvebis marwuxebSi vaqcev? me xom am dros, vTqvaT, rodesac uein SorTeris musikas movixmar masalad, mxolod erT, sityvebiT moniSnul arxs vutoveb msmenels? Sesabamisad, is SemdgomSic mxolod am gziT aRqmul musikas gaixsenebs. arada rodesac uein SorTeri, romelic namdvili bodhisatvaa, rodesac ukravs, darbazSi myof TiToeul adamians musikis meSveobiT im momentSi SeZenili sakuTari gamocdileba miaqvs Tan da am yvelafers araviTari saerToOar aqvs sityvasTan.

Carlz mingusi xSirad imeorebda, rom yvelas SeuZlia martivis garTuleba, magram Zalian cotas rTulis gamartiveba. misi rwmeniT, kreatiulobis arsi swored rTulis gamartivebaSia. Tqven Cikagos Divinity School-is yofil studenti brZandebiT, sadac religiis filosofias swavlobdiT. filosofiis arsi ki, rogorc erTi Zalian cnobili da politikurad kontroversialuri germaneli  filosofosi ambobda, isaa, rom “ Sen garSemo yvelaferi gaarTulo.” rogorc filosofiis fakultetis yofil students, axal masalaze muSaobis procesSi Tqvenc xom ar migiwevT guli raRac-raRacebis jer garTulebisken, vidre saboloo, gamartivebul formas SesTavazebT msmenels?

axalgazrdobaSi albaT ki. axalgazrdobaSi bevri ramaa iseTi, rasac arasworad igeb. geCveneba, rom Tu raRac-raRacebs gaarTuleb, ufro Rrmad Cawvdebi amas an ubralod SesaZlebelia, jer ar gagaCnia SenSi dagrovilis naTlad warmo-Cenis unari. swored amisTvis gveZleva is wlebi, rac Cvenive gasavlelia. es is Sansia, rac Semdgomi daxvewis da ganvrcobis saSualebas gaZlevs. aravin ibadeba Tavisi saqmis ostatad. ostati xdebi im SemTxvevaSi, Tu dauRalavad muSaob da kidev imitom, rom droTa ganmavlobaSi aucilebel sibrZnes iZen. yvela Cvengani swored aqeTken miiltvis. axalgazrdobaSi uamravi suleluri idea gawuxebs, am dros bevri iseTi ram gTavazobs Tavs, rac Sen ar gekuTvnis da rac drois ganmavlobaSi unda moiSoro; SeiZleba piriqiTac moxdes da raRac Zalian mZlavri da lamazi SemoiWras SenSi, is, rac Senive individualobis ganuyofeli nawilia da ara ubralo poza. am SemTxvevaSic bevri muSaoba dagWirdeba imisTvis, rom es mZlavri muxti SeinarCuno. swored amitom arian xanSi Sesuli adamianebi sazogadoebisaTvis mniSvnelovani. maT mTeli es samuSao Sesrulebuli aqvT, da mainc, miuxedavad amisa, isini SeiZleba iyvnen da SeiZleba ara sakuTari cxovrebis mflobelni. arseboben briyvi xandazmulebi da brZeni xandazmulebi. es ukanasknelni sakuTari cxovrebis da xelovnebis baton-patronebi arian, im dros, rodesac danarCenebi ubralod xelmocarulebi rCebian.

zemoT Tqven axseneT, Tu ramdenad didi mniSvneloba aqvs musikosisTvis im garemos, sadac is gaizarda. Tqven CikagoSi daibadeT da izrdebodiT; musikaluri TvalsazrisiT, es marTlac rom gamorCeuli adgilia _ sruliad gansxvavebuli amerikis sxva musikaluri kerebisgan. minda gviamboT, Tu rogor Semovida Cikagos “akustikuri versia” TqvenSi da aqve gTxovT, ganmimartoT, Tu ras niSnavs Tqveni es sityvebi: “Cikago yovelTvis Tavze bandanawakrul polonel qals magonebs; man es-esaa morecxa iataki da axla, muxlebze damdgari emzadeba mis gasaxexad.”

jer meore SekiTxvaze gipasuxebT. poeturi formis miuxedavad, yvelaferi zedmiwevniT prozaulia. varSavis Semdeg CikagoSi yvelaze meti poloneli cxovrobs; agreTve, Cikago mSromelTa qalaqia. mas mSromeli kacis “suni” asdis. dRes, ra Tqma unda, is erT-erTi yvelaze mdidari da ulamazesi qalaqicaa Tavisi gasaocari arqiteqturiT. musikaluri TvalsazrisiT ki, yvelaze mniSvnelovani isaa, rom es bluzis qalaqia. Cikago bluziT sunTqavs da yvela iqauri muskosi, ra stilSic unda ukravdes, pirvelad bluzis saxiT iRebs musikalur Cikagos. gamonaklisi arc me var. Cikagos “qaris qalaqs” eZaxian da, saundis TvalsazrisiT,  da geografiuladac, is gaxsnili qalaqia. preria emijneba; Cikagos garSemo teritoriebi gaxsnili da qariania. misgan gansxvavebiT, niu-iorki tyeebiT dafaruli teritoriebiTaa garSemortymuli da mdinare hadsonis napiri ZiriTadad mTiania. niu-iorki kosmopolisia; is saporto qalaqia, Cikago ki, am TvalsazrisiT, bevrad ufro amerikulia. iq jer kidev dadis tramvai da iqaurebi jer isev nadiroben. da kidev erTi ram _ meore msoflio omis Semdeg Cikago samxreTelTa adgilsamyofeli gaxda. dRes CikagoSi milionze meti meqsikeli cxovrobs aralegalurad. am yvelaferma udavod didi zemoqmedeba iqonia adgilobriv musikaze. Mmusikaluri TvalsazrisiT, Cikago gaxsnili da dakunTulia.

da Cemi bolo SekiTxva: es Tqveni pirveli koncerti iqneba msoflios am kuTxeSi. ras eliT dRevandeli saRamosagan?        

sakuTar gamocdilebaze dayrdnobiT getyviT, rom ar aqvs mniSvneloba, ramdenad Sors mogzaurob _ iqneba es CineTi, singapuri Tu moskovi. yvelgan, sadac Cadixar, aRmoaCen, rom adamianebi gelodnen da saSinao davalebac ki Seasrules Seni CamosvlisaTvis; vgulisxmob imas, rom maT mousmines Sen albomebs da met-naklebi warmodgena aqvT, Tu vin da ra xar. zustad aseve viqcevi me, rodesac CikagoSi an niu-iorkSi yofnisas Sevityob xolme, rom viRac mniSvnelovani musikosi Camodis, vTqvaT, azerbaijanidan an sxva romelime qveynidan, da is viRac ama Tu im instrumentis WeSmariti ostatia; an iseT rames mTavazobs, rac damaxasiaTebeli araa im regionisTvis, sadac me vcxovrob. CemTvis es saocrad sainteresoa, sruliad axali gamocdilebis miRebis Sansia. am dros, rogorc ubralo msmeneli, me egzaltirebuli var da survili maqvs yvelaferi Sevityo im musikis Sesaxeb, rac im adamianma unda momasmeninos cocxlad. imedi maqvs, rom qarTveli msmenelic CemsaviT dainteresebulia. veWvob, rom dRes Zalian, Zalian karg urTierTobas davamyareb Tqven msmenelTan.