interviu joi defranCeskosTan

im instrumentis (organi Hammond B3) istoria, romelzec Tqven ukravT, sakmaod dramatulia. wlebis ganmavlobaSi is xan gasaocari popularobiT sargeblobda, xan ki saerTod qreboda musikaluri  scenidan. am instrumentma marTlac rom ucnauri gza ganvlo eklesiebidan da kinoTeatrebidan dawyebuli da jaz klubebiT da rok bendebiT damTavrebuli. “hamondi” Zalian popularuli iyo gasuli saukunis ormocdaaTianebSi, samocianebsa da samocdaaTianebis dasawyisSi, Semdeg ki moulodnelad, 1975 wels, kompania “hamondi” Tu ar vcdebi daixura...

ara, kompania ar daxurula; 1975 wels “hamondma” Sewyvita B3-tipis organebis gamoSveba, mogvianebiT ki kompania gaiyida., ar maxsovs romel wels... 

...1992 wels. dRes is “hamond-suZukis” saxeliT funqcionirebs...

...diax, da is dRes  B3-is tipis saocrad daxvewil digitalur organebs uSvebs, Tumca bevri vici iseTi, vinc uamrav fuls gadaixdida “hamondis” Zvel, originalur modelSi an mis nawilebSi...

...mokled, dawyebuli samocdaaTiani wlebis Suidan “hamondis” popularoba SesamCnevad daeca da es ase oTxmociani wlebis bolomde gagrZelda. mere ki, 1989 wels, Columbia-m Tqveni pirveli albomi ALL OF ME gamouSva da Tvalis daxamxamebaSi yvelaferi Seicvala; “hamondi” kvlav popularuli gaxda, arada im wels Tqveni albomi organistis mier Cawerili erTaderTi diski iyo musikalur bazarze. ra moxda, rogor axsniT instrumentis aseT meryev popularobas?  

organze bevri araorganisti musikosi ukravda, magaliTad feTs uoleri, qaunt beisi da sxvebi, magram veravin moaxerxa misi ase “morjuleba” rogorc es jimi smiTma gaakeTa. mTeli es “organuli procesi” misi dawyebulia da misive meSveobiT es instrumenti nel-nela musikis sxva JanrebSic SeiWra, - bluzSi, roqn-rolsa da popSi... yvelaferi es erTi musikosis wyalobiT moxda. Sesabamisad, misi gavlena momdevno Taobis iseT musikosebze rogorebic arian jeq maqdafi, jimi maqgrifi da sxvebi sakmaod didi iyo. organi Zalian popularuli iyo ormocdaaTianebis dasasruls da samocianebsa da samocdaaTianebis dasawyisSi, mere ki moxda is, rom instrumenti “gaiyina”.. amiT imis Tqma minda, rom TiTqmis mTeli Semdgomi Txutmeti wlis ganmavlobaSi veravin moaxerxa “hamondis” meSveobiT musikis ganaxleba, misi axal simaRleze ayvana sufTa musikaluri Tu teqnikuri TvalsazrisiT. “hamondze” gansxvavebulad aravin aRar ukravda; ar Candene axali saxeebi. swored am dros Sewyvita kompaniam  B3-is gamoSveba da “hamonds” grZelvadiani “Sesvenebis” periodi daudga. 1989 weli, rodesac me Cemo pirveli diski Cavwere, instrumentis dabrunebis momentad iqca da es imitom, rom didi xnis ganmavlobaSi aravis moesmina organze aseTi dakvris manera. Cemma diskma Tavidan gaaRviva interesi “hamond B3”-sadmi.. amas ki is moyva, rom danarCeni organistebic daubrundnen scenas, xolo kompaniam Tavidan daiwyo B3-is gamoSveba, Tanac “hamondi” cdilobda iseTi instrumentebis Seqmnas, romlebsac isev is Zveleburi saundi eqnebodaT. me im dros Zalian axalgazrda viyavi (defranCesks im wels 17 weli Seusrulda k.T), magram bedis wyalobiT ise moxda, rom me am idiomis ganviTarebaSi wvlili Sevitane.

ese igi, “hamondis” xangrZlivi “dadumebis” ZiriTadi mizezi mainc is iyo rom musikosebma ver moaxerxes organis meSveobiT musikis zrda, ara?

diax, da albaT isic, rom raRac momentidan dawyebuli sinTezetorebi gabatondnen musikis sxvadasxva stilebSi. bolos da bolos sinTezatori xom “hamondze” ufro msubuqi da advilad gadasaadgilebeli instrumentia...

...Tqven ra dRemde Tan daatarebT Tqvens “hamonds” turneebSi?

diax, magram ZiriTadad StatebSi turneebis dros...

...terorizmis xanaSi “hamondis” qalaqidan qalaqSi da qveynidan qveyanaSi tareba sakmaod sarisko saqme unda iyos gansakuTrebiT sazRvrebze Semoewmebebis dros...

ho, es marTlac problematuria, magram me didi avtobusi myavs da amitomac StatebSi turneebis dros Cven ZiriTadad avtobusiT gadavaadgildebiT xolme.

es gavarkvieT.; modiT exla odnav win waviwioT: damwyebi musikosisTvis ori tipis zegavlenazea SesaZlebeli saubari: pirveli, es is musikosebi, arian vis Canawerebsac damwyebi musikosi usmens da cdilobs mibaZvis gziT iswavlos raime, meore ki is musikosebi visTanac debiutantebs uSualod uwevT dakvra. Tqvens SemTxvevaSi es yvelaferi odnav gansxvavebulia; TqvenTvis musikis Seswavla ojaxSive daiwyo Tqvenive mamis jon “papa” defranCeskos meSveobiT... mainteresebs otganze dakvra ZiriTadad mamis da misi kolega musikosebis wamxedurobiT daiwyeT Tu TviTon musikam imoqmeda Tqvenze?

albaT orive versia marTalia. mamaCemi dResac ukravs da garkveuli TvalsazrisisT dRemde Cemi maswavlebelia. rac Tavi maxsovs “hamondi” sul Cvens saxlSi idga, magram mamaCems arasdros dauZalebia CemTvis rom dakvra meswavla. ubralod, me Zalian momwonda “hamondis” saundi, dResac momwons, zustad iseve rogorc bavSvobaSi... sul raRac oTxi wlis viyavi, rodesac me TviTon daviwye nel-nela dakvra. davumatebdi imasac, rom amaSi mamas megobrebic damexmarnen. gainteresebT vin iyvenen misi megobrebi? maS ase: jimi smiTi, riCard “gruv” holmsi, Carlz erlandi, jimi maqgrifi, mokled, yvela drois udidesi organistebi. isini xSirad  ikribebodnen xolme CvenTan saxlSi an me mivyvebodi mamas klubebSi, sadac xSirad imarTeboda jem-seSenebi. warmogidgeniaT ras niSnavs musikiT dainteresebuli mozardisaTvis, rodesac mis saxlSi jimi smiTi midis da mTeli saRamo organze ukravs?

warmomidgenia... aseTi musikosebis gverZe ramdenad Zneli iyo TqvenTvis Tqvenive identurobis Ziebis procesi?

iciT, albaT yvela damwyebi musikosi ase iwyebs ama Tu im instrumentze dakvris Seswavlas; sxvisi musikis smeniT da mibaZviT... Sen cdilob, rom mosmenili nota notaSi gaimeoro, mere ki, mogvianebiT, Tu amis niWi aRmogaCnda, nel-nela iwyeb mosmenilis Seneburad interpretacias. rodesac did musikosebs usmen xvdebi, rom yvela maTgani Tavis Tavs “aparebs” imaSi, rasac ukravs. maTi yoveli solo “avtoportretia”.. swored amitomacaa, rom erTi notac ki sakmarisia, rom mixvde Tu vis usmen. Cemi “mogzauroba” musikaSi sxvebis gamocdilebisagan mxolod imT gansxvavdeba, rom xSirad didi musikosebi Tavisi fexiT modiodnen xolme CvenTan saxlSi; SeuZlebeli iyo aseTi cdunebisaTvis gageZlo. maTi wasvlis Semdeg ki SeuZlebeli iyo Cemi instrumentisgan agleja...  

interviusTvis mzadebis dros erT saintereso rames gadavawydi: aRmoCnda, rom TiTqmis yvela didi organisti, Tqvenio CaTvliT, filadelfiidanaa,; ra xdeboda aseTi gansakuTrebuli filadelfiaSi, ramac is “hamondis” dedaqalaqad aqcia?

es asea, magram me azrze ara var Tu ratom moxda ase. iseve, rogorc deTroiTi asocirdeba gitaris mZime, industrialur saundTan, aseve asocirdeba filadelfia “hamondTan”. mamaCemi da misi megobrebi xumrobdnen xolme, rom es ase imitom moxda, rom “hamondis” Statitan gatanis dros, rodesac musikosebi turneSi midiodnen, maT seriozuli problemebi eqmnebodaT Statis sasazRvro policiasTan da amitomac is filadelfielebi, vinc organze ukravda qalaqSi darCenas amjobinebdnen; danarCeni musikosebi ki imis gamo, rom isini xSirad ver axerxebdnen didi organistebis cocxlad mosmenas TavTavianT qalaqebsa Tu StatebSi filadelfielebis mosasmenad aq Camodiodnen da mere samudamod rCebodnen filadelfiaSi... es ubralod xumrobaa; sinamdvileSi, ki RmerTma uwyis ratom moxda ase...

me isic SevamCnie, rom organistebs Soris raRac Zalian bevri smiTebi arian: jimi smiTi, loni smiTi, joni “hamond” smiTi...

esec sruliad auxsneli fenomenia. romelime universitetis profesors amaze xarisxis dacvac ki SeuZlia... etyoba jer ar miuqceviaT am faqtisTvis yuradReba. Tqvenc mu etyviT...

“hamondian” bendebs ormocdaaTianebSi “xalxis” da “Temis” xmas uwodebdnen... rogor ggoniaT, “hamondi” aseTive “xalxuri” rCeba ocdameerTe saukunis dasawyisSi?

ho, ase ambobdnen xolme da albaT imitom, rom “hamonds” Zalian “adamianuri” saundi aqvs... is Zalian sulieri instrumentia. nu dagaviwydebaT, rom am instruments wirvebis dros iyenebdnen da dResac iyeneben xolme da amitomac misi mosmenisas es suliereba TiTqos TqvenSi aRwevs instrumentis saundis meSveobiT da misive “sulieri” warsulis gamo. M”hamondis” saundi gansakuTrebul talRaze “iWers” msmenelis yuradRebas. es saundi gansakuTrebiT popularuli samocianebSi imitom gaxda, gansakuTrebiT Savkanian mosaxleobaSi, rom rodesac daRlil-daqanculebi adamianebi samuSaoebidan brundebodnen, organis saundi maT stresis moxsnaSi exmareboda; Tumca aris kidev erTi mniSvnelovani ram, - samocianebi zedmetad emociuri iyo politikuri TvalsazrisiTac.  es iyo adamianebis politikuri Segnebis gamoRviZebis xana da xSirad, gansakuTrebiT SeerTebuli StatebSi, gitarebis mZime saundTan erTad adamianebs “hamondis” sulieri saundic esaWiroebodaT...

migaCniaT, rom organs dResac igive funqcia eskisreba?

absoluturad. ubralod dRes organis saundi musikaluri meinstrimis nawili gaxda. piradad CemTvis instrumentis es “xalxuroba” ukve tradiciis nawilia, romelic arsad gamqrala, magram mTeli am xnis ganmavlobaSi CemSi imdenma sxva musikalurma gavlenam “Semoirbina”, rom ubralod SeuZlebeli iyo am gavlenebis ugulvelyofa. nebismieri instrumenti erTmaneTs raRacas “aswavlis”. me ver wavuyuradebdi imas, Tu ras akeTebdnen pianistebi, saqsofonistebi, basistebi da ase Semdeg. maTi zegavlena Cemi Sesrulebis maneras amdidrebda da maiZulebda axleburad gameazrebina “hamondze” dakvris Cemeburi manera, iqneboda es teqnikuri Tu harmoniuli aspeqtebi.

dResdReobiT jazis samyaroSi jazis definiciisagan Tavis aridebis sakmaod xangrZlivi tradicia arsebobs; Tqvenc im banakidan brZandebiT?  

ara, ubralod aseT mcire droSi Zalian gamiWirdeba jazze siRrmiseuli saubari. me mgonia, rom erT rom rac unda gvaxsovdes isaa, rom arsebobs ori saxis musika: cudi da kargi. Cven vambobT “jazi”, “roki” da ase Semdeg, magram me vimedovneb, rom erT mSvenier dRes Cven mivalT iqamdis, rodesac ubralod vityviT - musika. rodesac axalgazrdebi, romlebsac tvini ara aqvT kategoriebiT mowamluli, usmenen Cvens musikas maT moswonT is imitom, rom es musika maT raRacas agrZnobinebs. samwuxarod, radioebi da televiziebi sul sxva saxis musikis promocirebas ewevian; es maT sindisze iyos. manamdis ki is, rasac Cven jazs vuwodebT izrdeba da viTardeba; is sunTqavs da moZraobs. is samudamo musikaa da ara raRac faza musikis istoriaSi...

jazis bevr eqsperts miaCnia, rom jazis tradicia inovacia araa. isini darwmunebulebi arian imaSi, rom sakuTari identurobis mopoveba jazSi misive tradiciuli arsenalis gamoyenebiTaa SesaZlebeli ise, rom moxmarebuli tradicia kliSed ar iqces.

amaze sakmaod gamiWirdeba pasuxis gacema. piradad me jazs “miRmac” viReb imas, rac momwons da amas Cems musikaSi viyeneb xolme. jazi ki Zalian specifiuri da ukve kargad gamoyenebuli leqsikonia, ris gamoc jazmenebs xSirad uwevT am junglebSi axali bilikebis Zieba, vinaidan jazs ukve didi xnis ganmavlobaSi ukraven da bevri bilikebi ukve gakvalulia. axlebs axali bilikebis gakafva uwevT es ki Zalian, Zalian Znelia. magram meores mxriv es isaa, rac Cven Zalian gviyvars da gvizidavs da rac namdvilad Rirs cdad...

ai erTi citata: “inovatorebi isini arian, vinc axerxebs jazSi ukve arsebuli enis reinterpretacias”. udavod, Tqven es  moaxerxeT, magram sainteresoa Tqven TviTon rogor afasebT am miRwevas?

me ubralod vukrav da vimedovneb, rom adamianebs moewonebaT is, rasac usmenen, magram Tu ar moewonebaT, es me ver SemaCerebs. “hamondis” isorias kidev erTxel Tu davubrundebiT aRmovaCenT, rom Cemamde aravin ukravda organze ise, rogorc me. mere ki, rogorc es xSirad xdeba xolme, me mimdevrebi gamomiCndnen, romlebic dResac Cems mier dawyebul tradicias agrZeleben, magram imedi maqvs rom momavalSi gamoCndeba iseTi vinme, vinc raRac sruliad axals Sematebs am tradicias. ase rom Cemi ZiriTadi Rvawli arsebuli tradiciiis da TviTon instrumentis sicocxlisunarianobis SenarCunebaa.

sul esaa?

ra, sakmarisi araa? kargiT modiT imasac davumateb, rom me Zirfesvianad Sevcvale “hamondze” dakvris stili. Cemi midgoma harmoniisadmi dResac aiZulebs axalgazrda organistebs yuradReba miaqcion “hamondze” dakvris harmoniul aspeqtebs. iciT, organze dakvra sakmaod Znelia; Cven xSirad vxumrobT, rom dakvrisas Cveni tvini ramodenime “adamianad” ixliCeba. pirveli klaviSebze ukravs, meore fexebiT pedlebze, mesame danarCen musikosebs usmens, meoTxe ki solirebs..

lesTer bouim erTxel Tqva rom musikosma bevr bendSi dakvra esaWiroeba imnisTvis, rom musikaluri cnobismoyvareoba daikmayofilos; Tqveni dRevandeli bendi ra saxis musikaluri cnobismoyvareobis dakmayofilebaSi gexmarebaT?

bairon landhamTan, Cems dramerTan, ukve Tvrameti welia vukrav. Cven erTad gavizardeT. me misgan bevri ram viswavle. baironi musikaluri arqivia; masSi yvela saxis musika “Seedineba” - induri, afrikuli, braziliuri... manac bevri iswavla Cemgan da is stili rasac Cven exla vukravT Cveni TanamSromlobis Sedegia. Cveni yoveli turne sxvadasxva musikaluri ideebis Cvenive stilSi moqcevis mcdelobaa. Cven msoflio musikas Cvenive stilis CarCoebSi warvudgenT msmenels da es process amouwuravia.

ron bleikis damatebiT ra Seemata bends?

ramodenime wlis win, ronis albomze muSaobisas aRmovaCine, rom organis da saqsofonis kombinacia raRac gansxvavebulis Seqmnisaken mibiZgebda; is gansxvvavebul JReradobas Zenda bends; roni ki, dameTanxmebiT sruliad unikaluri musikosia. gadavwyvite misTvis meTxovna turneSi wamosuliyo CemTan erTad; vifiqre, rom kargad gaverTobodiT; Tanac,AaseTi “garTobebis” dros Cven bevrs vswavlobT erTmaneTisgan. me “msmeneli” musikosi var. vgulisxmob imas, rom zogierTi Cemi kolegisagan gansxvavebiT me bevr musikas vusmen; yvelafers, razec xeli mimiwvdeba. mxolod asea SesaZlebeli musikis evoluciisaTvis Tvalis gadevneba.

da Tu saWiroa raRac-raRaceebs iyenebT kidec Tqvensave musikaSi, ara?

ra Tqma unda, magram aqve imasac davumateb, rom tradiciac Zalian mniSvnelovania CemTvis. musikoss aucileblad unda qondes myari safuZveli, rac misi individualobis garantiaa. sxvanairad jazis dakvra warmoudgenelia.

xom ar migaCniaT, rom jazis warsuli imdenadaa miTologizirebuli, rom xSirad is xels uSlis musikas winsvlaSi? anu, ramdenad xelisSemSleli SeiZleba aRmoCndes zedmetad xSiri “oh, mailzi, oh, soni rolinzi, oh, jon qolTreini” wamoZaxilebi musikaSi?

samwuxarod Tu sabednierod es gardauvalia da garkveuli TvalsazrisiT gasagebicaa. dResdReobiT aRar arian mailzis da qolTreinisnairi lideri figurebi da amitomac bevri mistiris im dros. magram, iciT ras getyviT, mailzic ase iyo. rodesac me masTan vukravdi TiTqmis eqvsi Tvis ganmavlobaSi, am sityvis sruli mniSvnelobiT tvins vuxvretdi SekiTxvebiT musikaze da musikosebze.  mailzi yovelTvis moTminebiT da yuradRebiT ekideboda Cems dausrulebel SekiTxvebs da yovelTvis mpasuxobda xolme da iciT ra SevamCnie? isic, rogorc dRes me an Cemi Taobis nebismieri musikosi, mxolod Tavis ufros kolegebze saubrobda xolme. dRes aq Cems magivrad mailzi rom mjdariyo is dizize, qlarq Terize, roi eldrijze an saCmoze isaubrebda. xSirad awmyodan warsuli ufro mdidari Cans da jazis SemTxvevaSi es marTlac asea.

arada am mxriv dRes TiTqos yvelaferi bevrad ukeTesia, - arsebobs uamravi jazis skola ara marto amerikaSi aramed evropaSic, internetis meSveobiT bevrad gaadvilebulia musikis gayidva, mokled musikosebisaTvis TiTqos ufro meti SesaZleblobebia gaxsnili da mainc, isini gamudmebiT wuwuneben imaze, Tu rogori Znelia jazis industriaSi gadarCena. Tqvenc krizisis ganmcxadebeli xarT?E

ara, piradad CemTvis es ase araa; me dResac bevrs vukrav da sakmaod bevri msmenelic myavs. me miyvars is rasac vakeTeb, magram isic simarTlea, rom bevri Zalian magari, Cemze bevrad ukeTesi musikosi, gaWirvebiT irCens Tavs Tavisi musikiT. es ki imitom, rom maTi musikis kategorizacia industriis xelTaa. industriis azriT ki maTi musika zedmetad rTulia msmenelisaTvis, romelic primitiul melodiebs miaCvies mTeli am wlebis ganmavlobaSi. me gamimarTla, radganac  vakeTeb imas, rac miyvars da vatyob, rom es yvelaze mTavari ramaa Cems cxovrebaSi. dakvris procesi me bednierad mamyofebs. unda akeTo is, rac giyvars da araviTar SemTxvevaSi ar Secvalo kursi mxolod imitom, rom gansxvavebulad moaCveno Tavi msmenels. SeiZleba gansxvavebuli gaxde kidec, magram ar giyvardes is rasac ukrav; maSin ki ra azri aqvs am yvelafers? CemTvis msmenelisagan wamosuli dadebiTi energia yvelaferia. es yovelTvis ase ar xdeba xolme, magram zogjer iseT zonaSi xvdebi, sadac musikis yvela elementi TiTqosda axleburad da saocari siZlieriT efineba msmenels. ai aseTi wamebi Seudarebelia!

me vici, rom “hamondis” saundi Zalian popularulia dijeebsa da hif-hoferebSi da isini xSirad iyeneben Carlz erlandis, jon “hamond” smiTis, loni smiTis da sxvebis saunds. Tqvenc “gasamplebuli” xarT?

warmodgena ara maqvs; albaT ki. organis saundi Zalian “fankuria” da es mowonT di-jeebs da hif-hoferebs, magram me marTla ar vici “gasamplebuli” var Tu ara.

modiT cota xniT isev “Zvelebs” davubrundeT. Tqven bevrs gawuxeben SekiTxvebiT mailsze, magram Tqven aranakleb didebul musikosebTan dagikravT, bobi haTCersonTan, jon maqlaflinTan...

...jorj qoulmenTan... me masTan erTad Cemi ukanaskneli albomi Live: The Authorized Bootleg  Cavwere. saocari musikosia, ara? gaixseneT Tu rogor daukra man mailzTan cnobil albomze My Funny Valebtine - Four and More. dRes is ukve 71 wlisaa, magram uwindeburi energiiT ukravs. alboms Tu mousmenT namdvilad gagiWirdebaT imis garCeva vinaa 71 wlis, me Tu is. swored amitomacaa ase rom aRmerTeben axalgazrda musikosebi Tavis ufros kolegebs.

vici, rom msgavsi SekiTxvebiT Tavi mobezrebuli gaqvT, magram mainc sainteresoa risi Seswavla moaxerxeT maTgan?

ara, ara, SekiTxvebi maTze me Tavs arasdros momabezreben. intervius dawyebamde me swored mailsze vesaubrebodi Cemi bendis wevrebs. me Zalian did pativs vcem da miyvars Cemi ufrosi kolegebi, vinaidan dakvra swored maTi musikis smenis Sedegad viswavle; yvelaferi, rac me vici maT maswavles. me ubralod raRac Cemi davamate maT aRmoCenils. exla ki SeecadeT warmoidginoT Tu ra unda megrZno, rodesac erT mSvenier dRes aRmovaCine, rom am did musikosebs CemTan dakvris survili aqvT. es saocrad didi pativia CemTvis da me arc erT Sanss ar vuSveb xolme xelidan Tu aseTi SesaZlebloba meZleva. maT imdeni ram ician, imdenis gadmocemis unari aqvT! rodesac maTTan ukrav ggonia, rom raRac kargi gaakeTe cxovrebaSi! es saocari SegrZnebaa! yvela es adamiani imdenad realizebulia, rom maTi msoflxedveloba saocrad dadebiTia. sxvaTa Soris bobi haTCersonTan me Tbilisis Semdeg davukrav, germaniSi... es is musikosebi arian visTanac dakvras bavSvobidan vocnebobdi. dRes ki me maTTan erTad vukrav. amaze meti ra unda undodesd musikoss?