interviu gari barcTan

rogor Seqmna bgeram samyaro

nebismieri bgera musikaa! bgera zadmiwevniT mZlavri ramaa. sufiebs miaCniaT, rom samyaro aRmavalma bgeram Seqmna. jer iyo bgera, mere ki, raRac momentSi, is iseTi xmamaRali gaxda rom didi afeTqeba gamoiwvia. ai, aseT saSiS iaraRTan gvaqvs saqme Cven, musikosebs. momRerlebi SuSis WurWlebs amsxvreven bgeris meSveobiT; bibliuri jerikos kedlebi bgeram daarRvia. bgera rTuli, saSiSi da amouwuravi fenomenia. me xSirad veubnebi xolme Cems studentebs, rom erTi cxovreba sakmarisi araa musikis Sesaswavlad. amitomac, Cven, musikosebi, vakeTebT mxolod imas, risi gakeTebac erTi cxovrebis ganmavlobaSi SegviZlia.  

ra jazi, ris jazi?

me ar vxmarob im sityvas, romelic “j”-ze iwyeba da romelic Tavi da Tavia yvela gaugebrobis.  TviTon sityva “jazs” aqvs negatiuri konotacia! is bordelebSi gaCenili terminia da srulad ar asaxavs im akustikuri movlenas, rasac improvizatorebi Tavazoben msmenels. jazmenebi im yuTSi CarCnen, romelsac “jazi” aweria da Tu im yuTidan vinme gamosvlas gadawyvets yvela erTxmad iwyebs yayans, - “ara, Sen amis gakeTebis ufleba ar gaqvs!”Dda ai, aseTebi iwodebian artistebad?!  warmoidgineT, rom viRac midis pikasosTan da aseT komentarts akeTebs “gernikaze:” -  arauSavs pablo, cudi araa, magram iqneb ai, aq odnav meti cisferi dagematebina, es Zroxa ki gageyviTlebia? sisulelea, ara? aseT rames namdvil xelovans ver Sebedav! musika musikaa da is ise Semodis SenSi, rogorc mas moeprianeba; amas ver gaakontroleb, amitomac ar momwons, rodesac undaT, rom raRac erT yuTSi mikran Tavi. me Cem Tavs ubralod musikoss vuwodeb da ara jaz, Tu sxva raime saxis musikoss; es ki imas niSnavs, rom me yvelanair musikas vukrav. me yvela saxis musikas vswavlobdi, magram Cven mogvatyues, hipnozi gagvikeTes da Janrebad daanawevres is nakadi, rac danawevrebas ar emorCileba.


ratom mokles maiql jeqsoni

artistebi saSiSni arian sazogadoebisTvis imitom, rom isini Tavisuflebi arian. adre eklesia karnaxobda maT Tu ra unda daexataT an daekraT, magram im drosac ki isini arRvevdnen wesebs da Tavisas, rasac isini xedavdnen da esmodaT, umatebdnen xelovnebis nawarmoebs. xelovnebis mTeli istoria Semoqmedi adamianebis kontrolis qveS moqcevis qronikaa. nu dagaviwydebaT, rom iyvnen adamianebi, vinc wvavda wignebs da anadgurebda xelovnebis nimuSebs mxolod imitom, rom danarCenebis gakontroleba SeZlebodaT. musika mZlavri iaraRa. amitomac cdiloben musikosebis kontrolis qveS moqcevas da swored amitomac mokles maiql jeqsoni, an misces misi mokvlis ufleba; imitom, rom is saSiSi artisti gaxldaT! jeqsoni saocrad popularuli artisti iyo, Sesabamisad didi Zlaiuflebis mqonec, magram is ar iyo politikosi da politikosebisaTvis gasagebi wesebis Tanaxmad ar TamaSobda. mas qonda saocari popularoba, saocari Zalaufleba da is ar iyo arc erTi qveyni prezidenti, gamigeT? maiql jeqsons saxalxod rom eTxova rame axalgazrdebisaTvis, isini mis Txovnas Seasrulebdnen, es ki riskis qveS ayenebs im adamoanebis keTildReobas, visac sazogadoebis kontroli aqvs ganzraxuli. me mqonda maiqlTan urTierTobis bedniereba. saocrad keTilSobili arseba iyo; sufTa adamiani. raRaciT iesos magonebda. aseTi adamianebi ki saSiSni arian bevrisTvis, radganac saWiroebis SemTxvevaSi uamravi adamiani gayveboda mas.


zrda

me ukve 70 wlis var. 1940 wels davibade ase rom omis Svili var. musikis smena adreuli asakidan daviwye, magram saboloo gadawyvetileba maSin miviRe, rodesac pirvelad  Carli farqers movusmine. swored maSin gadavwyvite, rom imis keTeba mindoda, rasac is akeTebda. gasuli saukunis ormocdaaTianebi swavlis periodi iyo CemTvis; samocianebSi  niu-iorkSi gadavedi sacxovreblad da im aTwleulmac swavlaSi gaiara, iseve, rogorc Semdgomma aTwleulmac. oTxmocianebi musikis degradirebis aTwleuli iyo da im aTwleuliT gulacruebuli oTxmocdaaTianebSi garkveuli xniT Camovcildi musikalur samyaros. es is periodi iyo, rodesac adamianebi ambobdnen, - “ho, Cven gviyvars is, rasac Tqven, musikosebi akeTebT,” magram miuxedavad amis gvepyroboden ise, rogorc nagavs. musikis wyaro musikosia da Tu musika giyvars musikosebsac unda sce pativi. ras vakeTebdi im periodSi? ra Tqma unda vukravdi! vukravdi da vswavlobdi, vswavlobdi da vukravdi!


ratom eSiniaT siaxleebis viRac-viRaceebs

imitom, rom yuTebidan rom gamoixedaven xolme komfortulad ver grZnoben Tavs. gasul wels Carli farqerisadmi miZRvnil festivalSi miviRe monawileoba Cem SvilTan erTad. is poetia da reperi ase, rom Cems bendSi dijeic iyo. es normaluria!, radganac 2010 welSi vcxovrobT da ara gasuli saukunis ocdaaTianebSi an ormocianebSi. viRace-viRaceebi ironiulad kiTxulobdnen: “ra kavSirSia barcis dRevandeli bendi Carli farqerTan?” isini am kiTxvas yuTebidan svamdnen! Cemi Svili CemsaviT farqeris musikaze gaizarda, magram is poetia da dRevandeli konteqstis Sesabamis nabijebs dgams. mas marto is farqeri ki ara ainteresebs, romliTac yuTebSi gamoketili musikosebi interesdebian, aramed is farqeri, romelic sruliad unikalur reagirebas moaxdenda dRevandelobaze. musika musikaa, iseve rogorc haeri haeria, xolo wyali ki wyali. Sen SegiZlia erTi peSvi dalio an erTi Wiqa, magram wyali wylad darCeba. wyurvils Tu moiklav ra mniSvneloba aqvs peSvi wyliT moxdeba es Tu Wiqa wyliT? amitomac momwons rasac dRes axalgazrdebi akeTeben. isini yvelafers Tavis saxels arqmeven da arafris eSiniaT. maTTvis kategoriebi ar arsebobs. isini Cven musikaze gaizardnen, magram am musikisadmi maTi mowiweba imaSi ki ar gamoixateba, rom samuzeumo sivrceSi gamoketon is, aramed imaSi, rom Tavisuflad gamoiyenon is. jon qolTreins SeeZlo jeimz braunis gverZe cxovreba da aseTi TanacxovrebiT orive erTmaneTs amdidrebdnen.


inovatorebi

inovatori isaa, vinc im ideebs iyenebs, romelic mudam haerSi trialebda, magram sxva kuTxiT uyurebs da sxvanairad udgeba maT. mailzi inovatori iyo imitom, rom sxva kuTxiT uyurebda samyaros da swored amitomac akeTebda da iqceoda ise, rogorc iqceoda. is WeSmariti xelovani iyo, iseve, rogorc qolTreini, oRond mailzisgan gansxvavebuli Treinis xelovneba musikis gansxvavebulad Rrma codnaze iyo agebuli,  imaze, Tu ra zemoqmedebis moxdena SeuZlia musikas adamianis sulierebaze.


progresi

Sens garSemo yvelaferi gamudmebiT icvleba da es cvlilebebi gavlenas axdens Senze. amas winaT megobars mailz devisze vesaubreboodi da me mas vuTxari, rom miuxedavad imisa, rom mailzis musika gamudmebiT icvleboda, TviTon mailzi igive rCeboda. is ukravda imas, rasac adre, magram mis garSemo konteqsti icvleboda da is am konteqsts argebda Tavis instruments. ho, drois ganmavlobaSi man ukeTesad daiwyo sayvirze dakvra, radganac meti moqniloba mieca maRal registrSi, magram es imas ki ar niSnavs, rom is Seicvala, aramed imas, rom is daixvewa. es progresiaa. ukeT dakvraSi adamianebi xSirad imas gulisxmoben, rom musikosma instrumentTan urTierTobis formebi Secvala, magram CemTvis es ubralo fericvaleba ki ara progresiaa.


arSemdgari da Semdgari saubrebi winaprebTan

diax, amas winaT im gardacvlil  musikosebs Soris, visTanac Sexvedra da saubari momindeboda sidni beSe, lesTer iangi da Carli farqeri davasaxele. piradad arcerTs ar vicnobdi, magram kargi iqneboda cota xniT rom SevkrebiliyaviT, erTi-ori gadagvekra da maTi istoriebis mosmenis saSualeba momcemoda. vici rom am gziT imaze meti mecodineboda, vidre exla. Cvidmetis viyavi niu-iorkSi rom Cavedi da musikosebis wreSi daviwye triali, - maqs rouCi, ebi linqolni, li morgani da sxvebi... me maTTan erTad vukravdi da es saocari ram kiyo, magram aranakleb saintereso iyo maTi monaTxrobis smenac.  rodesac isini yvebodnen magaliTad farqerze da ixsenebdnen Tu rogor varjiSobda is dakvraSi, maTi sityvebis Zala imdenad mimzidveli iyo, rom mzad viyavi mec iseve mevarjiSa dakvraSi, rogorc amas farqeri akeTebda. maTi monaTxrobi mexmareboda, rom CemTvis gavrkveuliyavi rogor mivdgomodi musikas. rac Seexeba arSemdgar Sexvedrebs beSesTan, iangTan da farqerTan, ra Tqma unda yvalze mets mainc pirad cxovrebaze SevekiTxebodi, Tumca konkretulad ra SekiTxvebs davusvamdi interviuSi ar iTqmis. isini angelozebi ar iyvnen da ajobebs Tu exla amaze arafers vityvi. ho, imasac SevekiTxebodi TiToeul maTgan Tu rogor Casaberebs xmarobdnen.


mowifuli asakis upiratesobis Sesaxeb

Tu janmrTeloba amis saSualebas gaZlevs, rac ufro gemateba asaki miT ufro ukeTesi musikosi xdebi. am dros Sen ufro komfortulad grZnob Tavs sakuTar tyavSi; Sen ici, Tu ratom akeTeb imas, rasac akeTeb da ukeT gesmis es.


beni golsoni, jon qolTreini da Carli farqeris saqsofonis Casaberi

es istoria beni golsonma momiyva: erTxel, axalgazrdebi rom iyvnen is da jon qolTreini, filadelfiaSi dizi gilesfi da Carli farqeri Cavidnen koncertis dasakravad. koncerti rom damTavrda, kulisebSi gavidnen, mowiwebiT mieaxlnen farqers da SesTavazes saqsofons otelSi Cven migataninebTo.Fdarqeri daeTanxma. gzaSi golsoni da qolTreini SekiTxvas SekiTxvaze usvamdnen farqers,  sad yidulobT saqsofons, rogor Casabers xmarobT, rogor klaviSebso. farqerma yvela maT SekiTxvas upasuxa. meore dRes golsoni maRaziaSi gavarda da iseTive Casaberi iyida, rogorsac farqeri xmarobda. ramodenime dRis Semdeg ki qolTreinma daureka da SeekiTxa farqeris CasaberiT rogori JReradoba aqvs Sens saqsofonso. zustad iseTive qaqi, rogoric manamdiso, upasuxa golsonma. beni mxolod maSin mixvda, rom farqerisnairi Casaberi karg musikas ver daakvrevinebda mas. 


ndoba

maqqoisTan muSaobam Zalian bevri maswavla wlebis ganmavlobaSi. ESeuZlebelia misgan rom ver iswavlo. musika ideebia da is, Tu saiT miyavs es ideebi musikoss. axalgazrdebs uamravi ideebi aqvT,  magram xSirad isini am ideebs kargad ver iyeneben. maqqoi ki...  Zalian cotaa aseTi yuris mqone musikosi.  is WeSmariti musikosia da me mas vendobi. me mas gavyvebi sadac ar unda moisurvos man wasvla. mailzic aseTi iyo; me mas vendobodi da nebismier musikaSi gavyvebodi mas.